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RubberDuc

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03-08-2017 03:08 AM

Hi all,

On my quest down the slippery slope I’ve come across an old Powermatic table saw that is the same vintage as my PM Jointer and PM scroll saw.  It looks like a basket case from the photos (wiring, rust, awful repaint, no fence, etc.).  The owner said it runs good but has no fence.  Pics below.  I have no idea what this thing might be worth.  I’m interested in it b/c I’ve wanted an old PM table saw for a while but this would be a lot of work to redo.  He is asking 450, is that good/bad/fair?  I’m not sure what the model number is.  Thanks for any advice:


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TheFridge

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#1 posted 03-08-2017 03:26 AM

Any fence would be nice because it’ll be an expense replacing the whole deal. I’d buy it for that at worst if he didn’t come down on the price any. If I really wanted a PM this wouldn’t be a bad choice.

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#2 posted 03-08-2017 03:47 AM

I like Powermatics but this saw’s rough I would max out at $250 if it’s not a 3 phase.

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RubberDuc

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#3 posted 03-08-2017 04:22 AM

Thanks guys, thanks. I have one of the Steel City / Orion / Craftsman zipcode saws (the one with all cast iron) currently. It is a really nice saw, but I’m slowly replacing everything in the shop with old arn. Next question, can I swap the motor out on this to work with 115V household current? I’m assuming I can, but I would want to do that vs. putting 220 in b/c I don’t have a dedicated shop and everything has to be mobile and usually run on an extension cord currently. It sucks but I’m just glad to be woodworking again.

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RubberDuc

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#4 posted 03-08-2017 04:23 AM

Oh, and do any of you know what model this is? Was a 66 made this early?

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#5 posted 03-08-2017 04:39 AM

See if you can get a better picture of the machine badge – it will tell you the model number and you can date it using the serial number. The PM65 and PM66 looked almost identical, and it’s hard to tell them apart by just looking. And while you can certainly swap out the motor, you will also have to address changing the starter for the new motor.

To me, $200 would be about as much as I’d pay for it. Generally, scrap price is a good ballpark for machines in that condition. By the time you add in the fence, guard, miter gauge, dust door, motor cover, new wiring, paint and supplies, bearings, belts, mobile base and a blade (and a new motor if you decide on it)—- and hoping that there isn’t anything else missing or broken—- you start to get up there in price. Gotta know when to walk away sometimes ;)

I see PM66’s come and go all the time in the $600-$800 range that include a lot of extras – Biesemeyer fence, mobile bases, extra blades, outfeed tables, etc… and most only would need new bearings and maybe belts to get them operational.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: There is no reason you can’t make a 240v extension cord :)

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TheFridge

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#6 posted 03-08-2017 04:39 AM

You’d have to find out the HP to figure power requirements. A nameplate pic would be the best.

And like Jim, if it’s 3 ph I’d knock 100-150$ off the max I’d spend.

The biggest thing would be exactly how much does your wanting a PM factor into how much your willing to spend.

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knotscott

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#7 posted 03-08-2017 10:38 AM

It’s extremely rough, and will likely need a total refurb. $200-$250

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RogR

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#8 posted 03-08-2017 01:35 PM


Generally, scrap price is a good ballpark for machines in that condition.
- MrUnix

This. Ask yourself what you would pay for this if there was no Powermatic badge. You will have a minimum of 100 hours of toil and a few hundred in expenses before you ever make meaningful sawdust. Why?

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VegasJohnnyB

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#9 posted 03-08-2017 01:44 PM

This thing is like a Ferrari in the junk yard. It’s junk not a Ferrari. Don’t walk, run. Call the guy in 90 days. He’ll still have it.

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Loren

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#10 posted 03-08-2017 02:48 PM

The surface rust is no big deal to remove
but replacing the fence is an expense. I think
new saw fences are pricey for what they
are but good second-hand ones usually
come with a contractor saw attached.

Anyway, figure $300+ for the fence.

I reckon it’s single phase from looking
at the motor. I can’t say 3-phase motors
never have a capacitor box on the side,
but I’ve seen plenty that don’t.

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bigblockyeti

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#11 posted 03-08-2017 04:48 PM

That thing is in pretty rough shape and is going to take quite a bit of labor and $$ to get it up and running properly. I wouldn’t pay more than $200 (if it’s a PM 66 and not a 65). The only reason I’d go that high is the single phase motor (hump on the bottom of the housing) and that’s only if I could see it run, if not then $150 max. The seller probably paid little to nothing for it in the first place and would almost certainty be will to deal after breaking down for them the extent of what it’ll take to do even a functional restoration only.

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