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Forum topic by ChefHDAN posted 03-05-2017 03:12 PM 628 views 1 time favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ChefHDAN

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03-05-2017 03:12 PM

Looking to draw on the experience and wisdom of the LJ’s. I’ve got a variety of sharpening systems that are all largely oil stones, my arkansas stones are a bit too small for plane irons, my norton tri stone is a bit dished from culinary knives, and my one ceramic stone has really become my go to in the kitchen as it’s a one and done stone.

I know it’s time to do better but am stuck between the three below, greatly appreciate any experiences you’ve had PRO/CON with these.

Option 1—- Norton Water stone set

Option 2—- “10 DMT Diamond stone set

Option 3—- Ultimate Diamond & Water stone set

I’ve looked at the Shaptons and Naniwas and these three seem to fit the needs and generally are in budget, to a point… I’m concerned with the life of the diamond stones, but like the idea of the flatness and being able to flatten some of my other stones that need it…

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it


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waho6o9

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#1 posted 03-05-2017 03:32 PM

Atoma diamond stones are better IMO, most cost effective on eBay, check prices first.

I like Atoma stones, 140 then 1200, and from there an 8000 water stone ( use a nagura stone to create slurry
and cleaning of said stone), finish with a green honing compound and flex cut polishing compound.

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#2 posted 03-05-2017 03:38 PM

Norton sets are good, I have and use them as well.

DMT’s are okay the discolored one on the left in the picture above is a DMT. I prefer Atoma now.

The Duosharp DMTs weren’t for me but I’m sure some find them useful.

Basically it’s diamond stones, and finish it up with water stones and stropping,

Good luck with your decision.

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#3 posted 03-05-2017 04:04 PM

Waho, many thanks, respect your opinion, what grit/# would you recommend for the atoma? I’m looking at a medium #400 for $68

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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#4 posted 03-05-2017 04:19 PM

You’re welcome ChefHDan

140 for rough work and flattening water stones.

The jump to the 1200 is a big jump and I think the 400 would be a nice addition to the process.

I like to get the 400 as well, money well spent.

So basically you should have a lower grit for fast removal, and a higher grit to get on with your wood working.

Did you want to start out with the 400?

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ChefHDAN

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#5 posted 03-05-2017 04:54 PM

Was thinking buy a set simlar to the ultimate package in the links above. #400 Atoma #1000 norton water #4000/#8000 norton water

It’s a bit less than the package above with tax & shipping, and I don’t think the base is really necessary. Wasn’t sure about the 140 or the 400 though

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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#6 posted 03-05-2017 05:05 PM

I too like the Atoma diamond much better than the DMT as they have a much better quality and wear consistency. If I were in your shoes, I would go all diamond for durability and consistency reasons. Ultimately they cost less too as there is virtually no maintenance either. I have tried and have most all kinds of sharpening stones and systems, to me the Atoma is the best way to go. I suggest the 140, 400 Atoma, use one of your current stones for 600-800 grit and then the 1200 diamond. If you want togo beyond 1200, then use either a strop or the PSA papers. I find that going to 1200 is good enough for 95% of my sharpening needs.

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waho6o9

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#7 posted 03-05-2017 05:09 PM

Good ideas except I think it takes too long to get where you want to be.

Let’s say you have the three water stones, I have them, that means you have to flatten all three of them, which wastes time.

The norton stones dish rapidly, which is good because you get fresh sharpening particles, but the trade off is
you have to maintain their flatness

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waho6o9

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#8 posted 03-05-2017 05:25 PM

Paul Sellers uses 3 diamond stones and then strops and he’s done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ykVzL2VAM&t=146s

I like the Atomas and then one 8000 water stone, done and back to the wood working project.

To keep a fresh edge I constantly strop through out the project, using a piece of flat plywood and a honing and polishing compound does wonders. I also have a leather strop.

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#9 posted 03-05-2017 05:35 PM

Heard the same about the nortons when I was researching stones. Ended up with 1000/5000/8000 shaptons. They work great. Long life before flattening. Anyway.

I’ve had 2 dmt c/xc. The first wore out after Lapping the backs of 2 irons. Second one still doing ok.

I’d recommend Eze/laps over dmt. And atoma overall.

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Loren

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#10 posted 03-05-2017 05:50 PM

I use a coarse and a fine EZE-lap and an
8000 grit Norton. I haven’t had problems
with the Norton wearing but I do use a
system that minimizes dishing.

Check it out if curious. https://youtu.be/WO_M95qDdAQ

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#11 posted 03-05-2017 05:51 PM

I swear by my Water stones, 1000 then to 8000 and a Diamond stone to flatten them. I do hollow grind and have some green compound to rehone during use. “BUT” just picked up some Arkansa oil stones and love the oil instead of water! Still learning to use them and getting sharp blades, it is all a learning curve and personal preference?

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#12 posted 03-06-2017 05:06 PM

I use DMT duosharps and mylar backing lapping/polishing abrasive film, with psa, stuck to glass. Works great, always flat, just use a little water. No mess or delay soaking water stones, no worry about flattening. The film last a long time before switching them out. Use 25um down to 0.3um in the film, depending on what is being honed.

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#13 posted 03-07-2017 04:48 AM

All of the above nattering is entirely baseless. There is only One Correct Sharpening Method, and I claim it as a closely held secret.

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waho6o9

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#14 posted 03-07-2017 04:59 AM

Awesome

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