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10-05-2010 11:24 PM

Topic tags/keywords: america tools philosophy work politics

I posted this in response to a post regarding a Harbor Freight Framing Nailer by a fellow Lumberjock. Wanted to share it…

I am a contractor and I have the same nailer, have used it almost daily for two years. It’s a work horse and it still gets the job done. Bought it when I was just starting out because I couldn’t afford anything else, figured I’d upgrade later, haven’t needed to. Lowe’s is now selling a nailer with the same casing under a different label, can’t be too bad…

I also have the flooring and roofing nailers sold by HF, both work great. My Dad, who’s a custom homebuilder picked up the flooring nailer and has used his quite a bit more than I have used mine and he has been very happy with it. at nearly a quarter of the name brand price you really can’t go wrong.

Another thing, we all wince a bit at the thought of buying chinese tools, but when you’re young and trying to run a business and make a profit in today’s financial climate it is very hard to pass up those deals, especially when the tools perform as well as the American brands. I live in Detroit where “Buy American” is practically a law, if you own a foreign car it might get keyed at the supermarket. You actually feel some genuine guilt when you buy something manufactured in a far off land. But we’ve become borderline socialist in our thinking, and we’re pricing ourselves out of the market on nearly everything we manufacture. Stepping back and really looking at the big picture, it’s un-American to not purchase a product that gives you the best bang for your buck. Is this not the United States of America where Capitalism is king? Survival of the fittest is just as relevant in business as it is in nature.

There are a hell of a lot of unemployed people out there right now and many of them are simply too stubborn and spoiled to take a lesser amount of money or a lesser job to pay their bills. They’re relying on hard working people to support them through unemployment and welfare programs. I have survived in a tough market because I’ve been willing to work for less. I stay busy and I pay my bills. Lotta dudes just like me out there working hard for a little less and not complaining. That’s the F*ing American way, make due and fight on!


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#1 posted 10-06-2010 12:24 AM

There are a hell of a lot of unemployed people out there right now and many of them are simply too stubborn and spoiled to take a lesser amount of money or a lesser job to pay their bills. They’re relying on hard working people to support them through unemployment and welfare programs. I have survived in a tough market because I’ve been willing to work for less. I stay busy and I pay my bills. Lotta dudes just like me out there working hard for a little less and not complaining. That’s the Fing American way, make due and fight on!

Urrah!*

-- Ohh mann...pancakes and boobies...I'll bet that's what Heaven is like! ♣ ♣ ♣ ♣

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#2 posted 10-06-2010 12:32 AM

Good :) /agree

-- Ohh mann...pancakes and boobies...I'll bet that's what Heaven is like! ♣ ♣ ♣ ♣

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#3 posted 10-06-2010 12:54 AM

Good on ya lad. You have the right stuff that so many have forgotten.

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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#4 posted 10-06-2010 01:09 AM

Are there any air nailers that are made in the USA? I have Senco XP’s, Paslodes, Porter Cables, Rigids, etc. and I doubt any of them are made in the US. If an inexpensive product suites your needs and hold up to the use you put on it, then that is a bonus in your pocketbook. Myself, I have not had good luck with cheaper tools. I seem to get the ones built on an off day, Mondays or hump days.

-- Gary; Marysville, MI...Involve your children in your projects as much as possible, the return is priceless.

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#5 posted 10-06-2010 02:55 AM

Gary…most Bostitch nailers are made in the USA, although many of their fasters are made overseas.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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#6 posted 10-06-2010 03:23 AM

Amen, if it stands up and does what it needs to do, price and country of origin really doesn’t matter as much.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#7 posted 10-06-2010 03:38 AM

It matters to me. In the end analysis, we’re all the losers. Carpentrymonster, glivingston and Abbot, you all are also right. People need to get off their dead asses and get to work. Nothing I’ve ever accomplished in life came easy, believe you me. Detroit? Well, I went to the Chevy dealer to buy some parts, and they were made in freakin’ CHINA! Now that’s enough to nost your fruts! How is Beijing = Detroit?!? I would like to point out that most of the job loss in America is due to “dark factories”- automation. I personally have cost myself hundreds of hours of overtime by having our software guru write some computer code. OK by me, that was one booooring job.

I won’t buy a chinese product if I can help it. I do not want to support them. In fact, I am going to upgrade my router table with a precision top, which I will have to make myself…hopefully without metal from you-know-where.

-- Random Orbital Nailer

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#8 posted 10-06-2010 03:41 AM

Wayne..that’s good to know, I actually went out to the shop and my work trailer to look at some guns to see if any had “made in…” tags or stickers. Nothing much except for the Hitachi’s. Made in Japan. One Senco XP roofing gun was marked “made in Taiwan”. I have four Bostitch guns, 18 gauge stapler, 23gauge pin nailer, plastic cap nailer, and the MIII flooring stapler. Nothing on those or in the manuals. They should stamp “Made in the USA” on them and be proud of it. They are still competitively priced with the other brands.

-- Gary; Marysville, MI...Involve your children in your projects as much as possible, the return is priceless.

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#9 posted 10-06-2010 05:35 AM

Gary…I did the same thing because I have a lot of Bostitch nailers. I found “Made in the USA” on a couple of them but not on others. I went to their website and there it said most of their tools are made in the USA.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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#10 posted 10-06-2010 06:42 AM

I’m not 100% certain as to why people are so down on buying foreign made tools and yet have no issue what so ever forking out cash for televisions, computers and such electronics made over seas….Hell, I’ve seen products that state “Made in the USA” and yet at the same time the box will tell you that it was assembled in China, Taiwan, etc. Even the venerable American icon, The Harley Davidson, uses parts made in China. I’ve seen OEM Harley rims complete with bar and shield logo and the words Made in China stamped into them.

Personally, I earn my living with my tools and because of that I buy the best that I can. Does that mean that everything in my tool bag is made here? Not even close. In a perfect world we would be an entirely self sufficient country, not relying on other nations for certain goods, but the fact is is that we are not.

-- If at first you don't succeed then maybe skydiving isn't for you.

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#11 posted 10-06-2010 01:21 PM

Thanks for all the objective comments, I expected a bit of backlash from that post. Believe me, i do agree that we should attempt to support our neighbors, but we also need to take some responsibilty for our current troubles. My wife is in the mortgage business, and sees people everyday who’ve been very irresponsible with their finances, i.e.; foreclosures, short sales, credit debt, and they all still believe that they are entitled to a loan. Of course not everyone has been so irresponsible and I am not so insensitve that I can’t appreciate the situation of someone who’s been dealt a bad hand, but collectively we’ve dug ourselves into a deeper hole. Mostly because we’ve been spoiled, we all at one time or another have succombed to the temptation of instant gratification. Credit can be an evil if not respected, and when you enter into a contract, whether it’s with a customer or a creditor, you need to be responsible for your end of the deal. If more Americans thought this way we’d be in a lot less trouble now. I pay off my lumber bill monthly and only buy what I can afford, debt scares the hell out of me!

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dennis mitchell

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#12 posted 10-06-2010 01:51 PM

I saw a wooden chair in an add for $28.00. If I set up and really bust them out I can build one in four hours. Less 16.00 for lumber and materials. That’s 12 divided by 4 or $3.00 an hour. Actually probably add a two hours for sales, bookwork ect. ...say 2.00 an hour. I’m not sure I like this low wage stuff.

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#13 posted 10-06-2010 02:00 PM

I’ll bet those chairs are machine made and only require the minimum of human labor.
We used to have machines like that here but the unions wanted a bigger slice every year.
I don’t think we ever had a work force quite like this though:
http://wimp.com/packingcards/

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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#14 posted 10-06-2010 08:15 PM

I know a fellow whose family had a furniture factory for many years. A while back, he said it’s chaper to have the furniture made in China and pay the shipping and import duties.

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