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Forum topic by William Shelley posted 02-26-2017 02:13 AM 2972 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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William Shelley

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02-26-2017 02:13 AM

Hi guys,

Yesteday, my Baileigh jointer/planer was delivered by the freight company to the freight dock at my workplace. Today, I rented a vehicle to get it home. I had to take the fence off to reduce the height so it would fit in the van I rented, but once that was done, one of the guys got on a forklift and got it loaded up for me.

I didn’t record any video, and I didn’t get good shots of the unloading process, but it was quite an ordeal. I put a pair of 2×4’s under the pallet so it had something to slide on. I ended up using three steel pallet racking beams as a ramp, which worked well overall. There was still quite a bit of rattling and shaking as it came down the ramp, so I’m sure that I’ll need to run through the whole machine and dial in anything that might have shifted.

The machine itself was purchased directly from Baileigh, but was sold through their E-Bay account at a steep discount owing to the fact that this is a used demo/tradeshow model. My total cost was $3477 + $441 for freight. I also spent $74 for the rental of the van.

I’m still waiting on my phase converter parts so it will be a while before I can actually fire it up and get it running. Once I get a chance to actually use it, I will write up an in-depth review.

Below are some pictures I took today. For size comparison, the pallet it’s sitting on is exactly 4ft wide and 8ft long, and is made from three 4×4 beams with 2×6’s nailed to the top as the deck:

-- Woodworking from an engineer's perspective


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#1 posted 02-26-2017 02:37 AM

Got it unloaded just fine. Didn’t go with some of the elaborate ideas that were thrown at you in the other post

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#2 posted 03-21-2018 08:45 AM

I just recently bought one from our gumtree australia which is like Craigslist, was advertised for $1000 Aud and the guy was trying to sell it and get rid of it asap as he need space for the new one when it arrived and i didnt want him to sell it to anyone becuase it was a really good offer. I wasn’t familiar with such wieght in terms of transportation so i quickly hired someone with a flat bed truck that had a crane in the rear for 500 Aud just for like a 1.5hr job in peak hr which i knew was HUGE rip off, but i used that to my advantage and told the seller to reduce the price he dropped 200 so all together i got it for 1300.

He dropped it on my driveway which had a bit of slope and then pushed it together in my garage with a pallet jack which was suprisingly easy to push.

The only reason he was selling it is becuase he said he wasnt happy with the bearings even though he just replaced them and he said he wasnt good when it comes to mechanical issues. The machine looked like new and i was like im pretty sure its an easy fix as there is not much to the cutter head plus i dismantled an old jointer and restored it so i kinda know whats involved. On the plus side, its good that it has new bearings as well as the blades have only been rotated twice.

Cant fire it up atm as i also need a phase converter. Ill keep you updated as soon as i get the thing up and running and trouble shoot it. Below are some images of machine and truck.

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#3 posted 03-21-2018 08:58 AM

These companies making the 16” JP machines
seem to have a hard time selling enough
units to make it worthwhile.

I have a Knapp. The steel frame was welded
underwater. Knapp went out of business due
to resistance to cost reduction allegedly.

Your cutter head may need shimming on one
side to compensate for frame distortion.

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William Shelley

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#4 posted 03-21-2018 06:43 PM



These companies making the 16” JP machines
seem to have a hard time selling enough
units to make it worthwhile.

I have a Knapp. The steel frame was welded
underwater. Knapp went out of business due
to resistance to cost reduction allegedly.

Your cutter head may need shimming on one
side to compensate for frame distortion.

- Loren

Welded underwater? Is that supposed to prevent distortion or something?

The cutterhead on my unit is aligned correctly to the planer bed but took a lot of work to get the tables aligned properly. They got jostled out of alignment during shipping.

After using this for a while I will say it’s kind of a piece of junk. Or maybe jointer/planer hybrids are just junk. But a jointer is a precision tool and this baileigh unit is really hard to tune/align. I think if I were to do it all over again I would buy separate jointer and planer tools.

-- Woodworking from an engineer's perspective

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Loren

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#5 posted 03-21-2018 06:56 PM

Yeah, it does.

Sorry your machine is unsatisfactory. That’s too
bad. Grizzly gave up on importing a German-made
Scheppach machine a few years back. Laguna
gave up on the combos too, presumably because
of quality control issues.

The Knapp is flawless. I removed the tables when
I moved it and they went back on perfectly with
no adjustment. The flats they mounted to are ground
so there’s no adjustment possible there. It’s possible
to mess with some cams on the ends of the parallelogram
bars to tweak it but I don’t foresee a situation where
that would be needed in normal use.

I had a Robland XSD before and aside from the tables
being dished it was kind of crude. It had a single
post to lift the planer table where the Knapp has
four. Also there was a knack to put just the right
amount of tension on the locking levers when
converting from planing to jointing. I liked the
mortiser though.

I have a lot of machines and not a lot of room so
the combo is great for my situation.

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#6 posted 03-21-2018 07:04 PM


Yeah, it does.

Sorry your machine is unsatisfactory. That s too
bad. Grizzly gave up on importing a German-made
Scheppach machine a few years back. Felder and
SCMI still bring them over but the retail prices
are over $8k for just the basic ones. Laguna gave
up on the combos too.

The Knapp is flawless. I removed the tables when
I moved it and they went back on perfectly with
no adjustment. The flats they mounted to are ground
so there s no adjustment possible there. It s possible
to mess with some cams on the ends of the parallelogram
bars to tweak it but I don t foresee a situation where
that would be needed.

I had a Robland XSD before and aside from the tables
being dished it was kind of crude. It had a single
post to lift the planer table where the Knapp has
four. Also there was a knack to put just the right
amount of tension on the locking levers when
converting from planing to jointing. I liked the
mortiser though.

- Loren

The biggest issue I have with the baileigh unit is that there are no gibs on the parallelogram mechanism. It’s totally fixed and the only adjustment is two stop bolts at the front of the machine on each side that the tables land on when you bring them down into jointer mode.

I can see why they did it, since typically this kind of machine would get setup once and then never touched. And I’m sure it’s loads cheaper to build a simpler adjustment system like this. It does seem to hold the alignment really well once you DO manage to get it aligned. But with only two points of adjustment, it gets REALLY tedious to try and dial in the beds.

I love having a 16” jointer though. I just surfaced a couple 15.5” wide black walnut crotch boards, they look amazing. Ripping, jointing, and re-gluing would not have been an option for something like that.

-- Woodworking from an engineer's perspective

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Loren

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#7 posted 03-21-2018 07:11 PM

The Robland had those bolt heads. Maybe most of
them do. Cheaper for sure than the grinding job
Knapp did. It was a family company that I think
only made a 5-function machine and the same
machine split into two parts. Robland bought Knapp
and a few years later they shut it down.

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