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Forum topic by Howie posted 09-24-2010 05:38 PM 1180 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Howie

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09-24-2010 05:38 PM

Anybody have any comments on the HF 4 camera security system w/dvr? I’m a little nervous about going on vacation etc and leaving my shop.

-- Life is good.


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dbhost

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#1 posted 09-24-2010 05:49 PM

FWIW, I have reliable in laws that watch my house / shop while LOML and I are away, so really the security system is a combination of BIL / Mossberg 500 pump… Very effective.

You might want to set up a few web enabled cameras and stream them to an offsite host for storage of the video data. That way in case something happens, you have a video record elsehwere…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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#2 posted 09-24-2010 06:24 PM

Don’t bother with fancy schmancy, just do it like the kid in Home Alone.

That said, if the burglars are smart and figure out you’re on vacation, what’s to stop them from turning your place upside down and trashing the cameras and DVR when they are done? dbhost’s idea of streaming and recording the feed offsite is good.

-- Ed

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gfolley

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#3 posted 09-24-2010 06:50 PM

Cameras are a great PART of securing your shop and dbhost has a great point of off site storage. The problem with cameras as the only security is they will only show who was in the shop when you get back. Cameras in combination with a alarm system will give you an instant responce from the intruders, they will not like the loud alarm sounding. They also will not know if the alarm is monitored or not (someone has been called). A simple system with contacts on the doors and a motion sensor can be had for probably about the same as you will pay for the HF cameras. I would recomend the alarm system then add cameras.

-- When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water. Gfolley, Ohio

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NBeener

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#4 posted 09-24-2010 07:02 PM

Remembering, too, that active and passive security systems really only stop the “crime of opportunity” (you can’t really stop the pro), I like the notion of “securing the place,” the best you can.

Most local Police Departments will walk through your property with you, and advise you on exactly what you should do to make YOUR property less attractive to burglars.

Random thoughts: metal grating (not wrought iron, but fat chicken wire) on the inside of windows, well secured. Solid-core doors. 3” screws into your striker plate, for your deadbolt. Security hinges. Window pins/locking mechanisms. Lots of thorny shrubbery, on the outside of the building, making it harder to access windows. Solar-powered, motion sensitive lighting, from up high.

That sort of thing. Many municipalities offer up brochures, online (easy to Google for) about making your home safer. LOTS of cheap, easy stuff to do.

Again: you’re just trying to make the opportunistic thief—inherently lazy—go elsewhere.

Safe travels !

-- -- Neil

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#5 posted 09-24-2010 07:50 PM

I thought about that system myself, but have ruled it out due to having to run wires for the cameras. I’m thinking about the wireless systems with the off site storage capabilities. As stated they do nothing to stop thieves and their only purpose is for documentation for evidence in court. So I want the cameras hidden with no wires to cut. As for shop security I agree with friends and neighbors watching also. I use expanded metal for my windows it deters breaking the windows. I also use different types of fastener heads to attach security items in place to make it difficult to remove them. Security systems are going to be your best form of defense and response.

-- I don't make mistakes, I have great learning lessons, Greg

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#6 posted 09-24-2010 08:03 PM

My shop is in the garage, and is covered by the security system we installed a few years ago. There was a little crime wave going on in our area and we had an attempted break-in (they didn’t get it, but they did mess up a window, a patio door, and a service door).

The alarm system we put in is ‘monitored’, and there is a deputy sheriff a half mile down the road. Plus, when we go out of town, our neighbor keeps his ete out for any suspicious activity. Any intruders would be wise to either stay away or take their chances with the deputy … my neighbor carries (and knows how to use) a Glock.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Dennisgrosen

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#7 posted 09-24-2010 08:28 PM

thank´s for the tip Dane now I know what precorsience I shuold use next time I visit you…lol

don´t tell anyone what you specific have done or will do
burglers do read the net and do it very effectiv speciel on social sites like facebook and twitter
and don´t write when you lieve town and coming back
you will bee amazed how stupid people are on those sites after what policeforces telling

take care everyone
Dennis

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NBeener

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#8 posted 09-24-2010 09:51 PM

don´t write when you lieve town and coming back

That’s a good one.

In fact, the booklet that the San Diego PD gave me goes one step FURTHER than that, and suggests that you don’t even tell your NEIGHBORS that you’re leaving.

It’s not that they are necessarily dishonest, but … that … you never know who THEY might mention your absence to.

In our community, the PD also asks that you let them know when you’ll be gone, for how long, and whether or not anybody should be accessing your house, while you’re away (bringing in mail, watering plants, etc.). They promise to send an extra patrol by, periodically, just to check on the place.

Then there are the “obvious” things: stop the mail. Stop the papers. Put a light or two on a “random” timer (crooks can smell a pattern, from a mile away). Make sure the lawn gets mowed, the snow gets shoveled, etc.

Pack the car INSIDE the garage, with the garage door closed, but … leave a car in the driveway.

Your answering machine/voice mail should NEVER say you’re not home … or out of town … or anything like that. It should simply say you can’t get the phone, at the moment.

I HAVE asked my neighbor to bring in any packages (FedEx, UPS, etc.) that he sees on my porch. Can’t usually do too much about that one, but you do NOT want those things there, day after day.

-- -- Neil

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#9 posted 09-24-2010 10:11 PM

Here in Denmark (I know we are a relative secure country , but still have our burglars)
we usualy talk with the naighbors about vacations periodes to help each other out with
the car in the drive way , lawn geting moved , some trasch in the traschcontainer
flowers and kitchengarden being watered not to mention geting the mail/packets inside
all the small things that help getting the house to look like there is some one home
like one day a childs toy and another day a bycicle thrown in the driveway
and speciel if you don´t have relatives close that can help you out with these things
then is naigbor help /watching one of the best things that can be done

and the best thing about it , is that there is alot better talk over the hedge and helpfullness
the rest of the year , becourse you have a feeling of belonging there and you know
they will wonder if you don´t show up in a given point of the day they will look more to see iafter you
while they count down to when they will go over and look after you

its the cheapest system there is but also one that need some work all year around before
it work in topgear

Dennis

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NBeener

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#10 posted 09-24-2010 10:17 PM

I grew up in New Milford, CT, a small town near where NY borders northwestern CT. In the 80’s, the cops were robbing homes of vacationers who let them know they were going away. For real! ;^0

Um. Wow. Yikes. :-O

I guess there IS always THAT possibility…....

-- -- Neil

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devnull

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#11 posted 09-24-2010 10:21 PM

I have the HF camera set, I use them at work to monitor a few of our remote offices, I also purchase a set to monitor my kids while they are outside playing, A few months back some neighbor hood teenagers decide to shoot paint balls at parked cars, the video came in handy.

-- __A Clean Desk is a sign of a sick mind.__

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greg

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#12 posted 09-24-2010 11:43 PM

i had put a hidden switch outside of mine and ran 220 volts to my door knobs but my was afraid i would kill someone lol so i guess i will have to move in my shop

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Howie

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#13 posted 09-25-2010 02:42 AM

Lots of good suggestions here but where I live most are not practical. Probably the best I can come up with is the remote cameras on the shop entrance with a recorder while I’m not home.
My shop door prominently displays a sign telling people that I don’t call 911. In the state where I live they have a stand your ground law and it works. I really would not like to shoot someone but…I’m not going to back down either. For the people that read that and laugh and think I’m just blowing smoke be advised I’m a Vietnam vet and take it for what ever they think…
My father had his garage entered twice and lost a lot of hand tools…how did they do it…simple.Drive down the street with a garage door opener watch the doors move. Come back when the people aren’t home. Go under the garage door and when you leave go out the man door. I suggested the 220 volt idea above but he just quit buying tools.
I have insurance but I just can’t stomach the fact I worked for what I have and I really don’t think some low life that never worked a day in their life should get something for nothing

-- Life is good.

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HorizontalMike

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#14 posted 09-25-2010 04:19 AM

CessnaPilotBarry said:
”One interesting reality check about guns… They make great forum talk, but in many cases, the gun owner can end up with far more financial and legal problems than the robber if the trigger were to actually be pulled.”

NOT TRUE IN TEXAS—That’s the nice thing about living in Texas. We have the Castle Doctrine that allows us to shoot ANY home invader in order to protect ourselves and further, the Texas Penal Code allows the home owner to use deadly force to protect their PROPERTY (and not just their life) like in a detached building on your land.

And like Howie, I also am a veteran of Vietnam with more than a handful of ways of defending/protecting my life and property. ;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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