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apehl

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02-15-2017 03:10 PM

Topic tags/keywords: table saw grizzly g0771z g0715p hybrid saw

So I am a few days away from ordering my new table saw, I have done the usual song and dance and went back and forth on 10 different saws as well as let my budget go from $500 all the way up to $1700. For now I am staying low enough (less than $1k, plus another $200-$300 will go towards blade, mobile dust collector, wiring/switches) to get a quality saw that has some newer features. Someday I will give this saw to a friend or family member and buy a higher end unit.

I was pretty set on trying the new G0771z. It looked like the perfect balance of price and features ($890 to my door). I like that they “fixed” fixed the fence from the G0771 model, cabinet mounted trunnions and I think a few other issues were looked at. My biggest hesitation is the fence. Even with it being “fixed” its aluminum. Im sure this would work fine for me but id hate to spend $900 and still be desiring a better fence.

That is why the G0715p keeps creeping into the picture ($990 to my door). I havent seen any post lately (since Jay Bates in 2014) about the table mounted trunnion issue. It has a much nicer fence but if there are still issues with the trunnions I do not have the time, patience, or experience to trouble shoot that.

Are their other features that the 715 has that I should consider being a selling point? Is it a waste of money if in a year or two I get a new fence for the 771z?

Any personal experience, wisdom, or direction would be greatly appreciated!


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#1 posted 02-15-2017 05:36 PM

I have a G0715P with an Incra fence and a Freud LU83. It cuts like a laser. Dead on every time & glue line ready. I do a lot of jatoba (AKA Brazilian Cherry) and it handles everything I’ve thrown at it.

I put an Incra router plate in place of the R wing. There is a big 3-1/2 hp Milwaukee Heavy Duty router hiding under the plate:

Both the saw & router share the precision of the Incra LS-III fence as well as the easy-to-read digital height gauge:

All for about $1500 new.

M

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#2 posted 02-15-2017 06:39 PM

Madmark2 it looks to me that you are pretty serious and experienced (judging by the investment and quality of add ons). When did you buy your saw? Did you have to do much as far as aligning the blade or anything. I have never done any of this before and don’t know if I have days to figure out some of the shortcomings that I have read on other 715p reviews.

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#3 posted 02-16-2017 01:53 AM

Mine came dead on out of the box. I didn’t even install the stock fence. I do a lot of work with jatoba ( AKA Brazilian Cherry ) and it slices right thru without a problem. I use a Freud LU83 thin kerf blade. Both the 90° and 45° stops were dead on according to the Wixey angle cube. The saw is just now three years old with no real problems. The Incra system lets me hit any 1/32” measure +-0.002”. The saw is exceptionally quiet as well. I’m on my 2nd 55 gal barrel of sawdust generated. The flower beds are well mulched and that is essentially all the scrap. My smallest cutoffs get used by my doll house furniture maker friend.

M

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#4 posted 02-16-2017 08:19 PM

You don’t still have your older fence system do you? I don’t have the desire to buy an expensive aftermarket fence system.

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#5 posted 02-16-2017 09:28 PM

I’m in the EXACT same boat.

Was really on board the G0771z, but hear so many folks say the G0715p is a better saw (seems heavier, more steel vs aluminum, etc).

Everytime I get ready to pull the trigger on the G0715p, I’ll get nervous about it being a lemon. I really don’t want to deal with having to return a 400lb+ item.

At the same time, when I think of getting the G0771z, I worry about getting a lesser fence and just less substantial saw. In the comparison chart, it seems like the G0715p has so many things in common with the nicer saws (1023 & 6090) with regard to size & materials which is why I’m having a hard time dropping down to the G0771z.

It seems to me the G0771z is the “safe” choice here – it won’t be as good as the G0715p would be were it to be a “good” one, but it also doesn’t seem to run the risk of having any systematic issues that make it problematic. At the same time, I see all of the acclaim the G0715p gets and all of the places it is highly recommended and wonder if this is simply a case of super detail oriented people making much ado about nothing.

I mean let’s face it – I’m coming from a dwe7480 that was never really “tuned” so I doubt I’ll be anything but blown away by any of these.

Part of me wonders if I should just get the G0771z and use the extra money to potentially put towards a nicer fence.

Would be really curious to get others thoughts.

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apehl

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#6 posted 02-16-2017 10:18 PM

Where’s knotscott when you need him?

I’ve contemplated the fence upgrade on the 771z too and then I think we’ll if I spend 400 on a new fence I could have just bought the 715p for 100 more or the 690 for the same price. If the 715p had cabinet mounted trunnions there wouldn’t be a question.

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#7 posted 02-16-2017 10:19 PM

Yeah, I thought about “just going with the 1023 and not worry about it”....then my wife found out how much more $$ that was and that was that :)

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#8 posted 02-17-2017 12:03 AM

I’m here, but not sure I completely understand all concerns. The G0771 had a fairly humble fence. The G0771Z has an upgraded fence that’s better, and may be more than suitable, but still doesn’t appear to be on par with one of the better Biese type clones on the cabinet saws….haven’t seen a fence like the one on the G0771Z, so can’t say from experience.

Neither Grizzly hybrid has been in my shop, so my knowledge is mostly gleaned from comments and manual diagrams. From what I’ve read, some feel that the G0715P is the more solid saw than the G0771/G0771Z, but I’m not sure if they’re talking about the working innerds of the saw, the fence, the feel of the hand wheels, or all or some of the above. It’s not unusual to handle a saw with a lesser fence and lighter weight hand wheels, and come to a conclusion that it’s “less rugged” than a saw with a stouter fence and nicer hand wheels. Both are hybrid saws with a full enclosure, decent fences, and solid cast wings. The G0715P appears to have a stouter fence, but the G0771/G0771Z has cabinet mounted trunnions that are easier to reach. The actual underpinnings of the saws are very different from those on a true industrial cabinet saw like the 1023 or G0690…different class of saw for sure, but require 220v.

The G0715P was plagued by some units that suffered from an alignment issue for the first few years of it’s existence. That issue has supposedly been resolved, and it’s been at least a year since I’ve read about a credible new case of that issue. The G0771 hasn’t been out all that long, but I haven’t read of any systemic issues with it. You could always call the Grizzly tech line and chat about the differences to get their take (not CS or the sales numbers, but the actual guys who crawl around under the hoods).

Either way, you can’t buy any of the Grizzly saws without a fence, so I’d postpone any aftermarket fence ideas until after you’ve actually worked with the stock fence for a while….we all have difference needs, wants, and sensitivities about what’s acceptable to us.

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#9 posted 02-17-2017 01:06 AM

Why worry about how you position the miter slot with respect to the blade? Either design works. I have done both. It is a little harder to get them lined up with a table mount trunion. The thing is, you only do it once every 10 years or so. My first contractor style table saw lasted 20 years without having to be readjusted.

I have owned the G0715 now for about 6 months and I am still searching for the fatal design flaw that some people have reported. The only thing I had to do was adjust the fence a little to be parallel with the miter slot.

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#10 posted 02-17-2017 01:33 AM



Why worry about how you position the miter slot with respect to the blade? Either design works. I have done both. It is a little harder to get them lined up with a table mount trunion. The thing is, you only do it once every 10 years or so. My first contractor style table saw lasted 20 years without having to be readjusted.

I have owned the G0715 now for about 6 months and I am still searching for the fatal design flaw that some people have reported. The only thing I had to do was adjust the fence a little to be parallel with the miter slot.

- ArtMann

It just seems like if it was the pervasive, “saw ruining” problem some seem to claim that it wouldn’t be such a highly praised model. I also can’t tell as some folks say things are just a bit off and have to be set up, which seems normal, while some seem to be implying that it is a problem that can’t be fixed.

Ultimately, if this was a 30lb item I could easily send back, I wouldn’t be too concerned with trying. I just really want to avoid having to deal with returning any of these beasts.

I’ll probably ultimately go with the G0715p and hope it works out. Too many other tools I still need to justify the jump up to the full cabinet saws.

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#11 posted 02-17-2017 04:53 AM

I had both G0771 (not z) and 715p. They are very different the second one is a level up over the first. It is much beefier and more resembles big cabinet saw. It is entirely made from steel and cast iron. The first one is a lot of aluminum and does not feel as good. Although underprinting is lacking on both saws. Don’t be fooled by “caninet mounted trunnions” they are flimsier than table mounted trunnions in this implementation.
Intetestingly I did not find the aluminum fence on g0771 to be a disadvantage. On contrary, since it locks down and has slots you can hang a lot of attachments ln it such ad vertical featherboard or saw buddies

If you can swing it go for g1024 price/value ratio is higher with this saw.

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apehl

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#12 posted 02-17-2017 04:19 PM



I had both G0771 (not z) and 715p. They are very different the second one is a level up over the first. It is much beefier and more resembles big cabinet saw. It is entirely made from steel and cast iron. The first one is a lot of aluminum and does not feel as good. Although underprinting is lacking on both saws. Don t be fooled by “caninet mounted trunnions” they are flimsier than table mounted trunnions in this implementation.
Intetestingly I did not find the aluminum fence on g0771 to be a disadvantage. On contrary, since it locks down and has slots you can hang a lot of attachments ln it such ad vertical featherboard or saw buddies

If you can swing it go for g1024 price/value ratio is higher with this saw.

- Carloz

If you had to buy one over again which would you suggest (assuming your budget is under $1k)

Taking Knotscott advice I called Grizzly and talked to one of their product specialists about both saws. Similar to what ive seen before he claims the issue with the 715p is only due to novices like me who try to over extend the blade height. Once you try and crant the blade height past what it is set at, it throws the trunnions, blade, or something else out of alignment. He said that is the flaw in the machine, Grizzly should have designed it knowing alot of inexperienced buyers be purchasing a hybrid saw. However I have seen many video reviews from what I consider to be well educated and capable makers (Jay Bates and a few others) talk about a design flaw.

In regards to the 771z he felt it was a really good saw and claimed it was a total redesign of the 771 so he didnt really tell me the “changes” or differences between the two. It would seem to me since they still have the 771 and essentially the same specs that its the same saw with a few tweaks, but I dont know. One of his favorite things about it was the fence. He said it locks on the front and the back so it gives it a little more stability. However that sounds more of a preference on fence style since the bies. style fences are highly regarded as one of the best fence designs. Lastly the throat plate is more shallow than the 715p so they dont sell, nor do the recommend a zero clearance insert.

A few closing thoughts/concerns. I have seen with my jobsite saw and with the hybrid ridgid saw that there seem to be alignment issues with similar style fences that lock on both the front and back. Maybe they are designed in a different manner and thats nothing to be worried about, but something to consider. The other being the thin throat plate mount. This may cause more work in order to get custom inserts. Lastly if you are looking to mount a swinging outfeed table on the 771z you wont be able to mount it directly to the rail since it is aluminum and the fence locks onto the rail. With the 715p you have to trust that the table mounted trunnion design wont be an issue for you when it comes to adjustments and alignments. I still havent decided but I am leaning more towards the 715p and will let everyone know what I decide.

I asked his opinion of which he would recommend and he said he liked the 771z. I got the impression it was due to the fence. Plus its a new saw for them, maybe they are all hyped about the new product and trying to push it more?

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#13 posted 02-17-2017 04:23 PM

apehl – not sure what your timeline looks like, but I bit the bullet and got the G0715p this morning. Probably will arrive late next week based on the timing when I ordered my bandsaw.

I’ll give you my report when I get it set up. Ultimately, I just decided to go for the saw that I’d want if everything were as it should be (meaning no issues). If it turns out to be a horrible failure, I can always suck it up, send it back and get the G0771z, but if I get the G0771z I felt like I would have wondered later on if I should have gotten the G0715p.

I’m guessing we’ll be pleased either way, but we’ll see. It seems like the only “sure fire” advice is to bump up, but then you’re talking about going from a $990 “to my door” saw to a $1490 + (in my case) adding a 220v outlet to go with the G1023.

I’ll let you know how it goes!

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#14 posted 02-17-2017 04:34 PM

G0715P come prewired for 220, if you want 120 you need to get the conversion kit. NEMA -6 / 20A is what it comes with.

M

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#15 posted 02-17-2017 04:36 PM

Good point Madmark2.

I bought the kit as well but I’m glad you mentioned it cause it is an important point for anyone else looking at using that saw at 110.

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