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EDubs

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09-21-2010 03:05 AM

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I am refinishing our kitchen table top.

After stripping and sanding, I used Minwax’s oil based wipe on SATIN poly to finish the table.

I have just finished the third coat

My wife just informed me that she would like a GLOSS finish.

So my questions:

Can I use Minwax’s Gloss wipe on poly over Satin wipe on poly? (My gut tells me yes)

There are three coat of that Satin finish on the table now, I was planning on putting 2 coats of the gloss finish over it for a total of 5 layers. Is there such a thing as too much poly?


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DrDirt

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#1 posted 09-21-2010 03:11 AM

It will go over, but it will not be glossy.
THe Satin poly has a “flattener” often mica that is used to set the sheen.

So it will be a bit glossier than you have now, but if you want a gloss finish….sorry

The way I learned was that you apply gloss, then if you want a satin or semigloss, the final coat is of that finish, so the color and protection are built up and then at the end you select the sheen.

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison

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EDubs

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#2 posted 09-21-2010 03:16 AM

That’s is too bad.

Thanks for the fast response.

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Jim Crockett (USN Retired)

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#3 posted 09-21-2010 03:17 AM

I agree with Dave. I always make the first coats gloss; then if I want satin or semi-gloss, the last coat or two is the desired sheen. Also, if you use multiple coats of satin or semi-gloss, the flatteners in the finish will begin to make the wood grain appear somewhat murky.

Basically, you have a couple of options: 1) Add a couple of coats of gloss – it will not be appreciably more glossy than what you now have; 2) Strip it down to bare wood again and start over, using gloss.

I know what my decision would be – (behind door #1….....)

Jim

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#4 posted 09-21-2010 03:20 AM

Meaning no disrespect to Dave, but I have to disagree. I had the same issue with Armaseal wipe on. I ended up with a satin finish that simply was not glossy enough. I wet sanded the satin lightly with 400 and applied the gloss wipe on. I ended up with a substantially glossier surface.

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studie

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#5 posted 09-21-2010 03:22 AM

I like and use satin wipe on Minwax but for smaller projects, I use a foam brush to get a nice coat but don’t wipe it off. Sometimes a run or drip will ruin a coat and I’ll use a utility razor blade to cut off the drip then sand w/ 320 to get back to where I was on the previous coat. I found out a long time ago that if you use gloss from the first coat and many more sanded between coats that you can always rub out the final coat with rubbing compound for a better than satin look. Starting with gloss also gives more depth than multiple coats of satin. (cloudy)

-- $tudie

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#6 posted 09-21-2010 04:18 AM

I have to disagree with the majority here.

I know I read the technical explanation in one of the major woodworking mags, but the gist was that the the gloss level is determined by the final coats. It doesn’t matter how many coats of satin you wipe on, if you want gloss, all you have to do is make your final coat or two is gloss. I know it has to do with how the finish reflects light…. not whether it is clear or cloudy.

I can back this up from my own experience. If I am going for a gloss finish but I happen to have more satin in the shop, I will build the finish with satin, then do the final two coats with gloss. Using Minwax wipe-on poly, the result is indistinguishable from using gloss for all the coats.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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BigG

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#7 posted 09-21-2010 04:36 AM

I agree with Charlie. Doesn’t matter what you start with. Final coats determine the gloss.

-- Big G

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EDubs

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#8 posted 09-21-2010 01:59 PM

I decided that I am going to take my chances putting the Gloss finish over the Satin finish. When its complete I will let you know how it turned out.

I am really impressed with this web site. I just joined yesterday posed a question before bed and had 6 response this morning. Thanks everybody.

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#9 posted 09-22-2010 06:01 AM

I vote with Charlie and BigG; you’ll get a gloss finish if your top coat is gloss. According to Michael DRESDNER THE FLATTENING AGENTS only reflect at the surface. Once you cover with gloss, they’re no longer at the surface. Worry not. Your wife will love it—and you.

-- Steve in KY. 44 years so far with my lovely bride. Think I'll keep her.

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Ger21

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#10 posted 09-23-2010 02:22 AM

Yep, go ahead and put the gloss on top, and it’ll be glossy. :-)

-- Gerry, http://g-forcecnc.com/jointcam.html

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#11 posted 10-09-2013 07:33 PM

Thanks for the advice on this. I just put gloss over satin and it looks great. So glad I found this site, otherwise I would have resanded and started over.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-MFNn125Cm9U/UlWmScfe6MI/AAAAAAAADYU/KaZUH4H_a5w/w668-h501-no/20131009_145327.jpg

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