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02-14-2017 03:39 PM

While I enjoy working as a bench carpenter in a custom shop, the cash is…less than ideal.

Wondering how many guys here do the 7-3:30 M-Fas a union carpenter and then do fine woodworking in their spare time.


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#1 posted 02-15-2017 01:10 AM

I’m not a union carpenter i’m a union ironworker and do some woodworking when I can

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#2 posted 02-15-2017 02:22 AM

Not a union carpenter but was a member of the ADA before retiring. They were a very helpful organization.
Never guaranteed a certain wage but they had a usual and customary fee book.

-- Illigitimii non carburundum sum

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#3 posted 02-15-2017 03:33 AM

Damn, wish I had a big ole box of popcorn for this thread! In 1975, I was forced to join Local 69 of the Teamsters. Lasted about 8 months.” Details piss me off way too much” I’ll just say, my next Union will be with God, all other will die trying. I had a very lucrative career for 40 years AU, doing what I chose to do for the money I chose to accept. Off my box now!

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#4 posted 02-15-2017 07:00 AM

What is a union ? Is it the same thing that took almost all earned money from my kids when they were in the middle school. They had a class at school called “work experience” and were required to work some time for local businesses after school hours. Mine unfortunately picked Vons not knowing what it was. They were asked to forfeit their first whole paycheck for the benefits of the union as “some joining fee”, and after that every pay period the union took most of what they earned as naturally they did not make much. The union “adult” managers told them to not expect any benefits, including normal pay untill they work there 6 months or so. The school program lasted 3 months.
There was absolutely no consideration for the age and the circumstances. Money is above all.
Now I fight these “unions” as much as I can. When the landlord of the building where I worked hired some workers to repair the roof the “union” of roof workers ? started picketing the building demanding that the job should be given to them. I harassed and ridiculed them until they left.

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#5 posted 02-15-2017 11:01 AM

Cool story, bro.

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#6 posted 02-15-2017 05:13 PM

Union sheet metal worker who does wood work for fun and therapy.

Carloz why would you let your kids have a job in middle school after school that would make them 12-14 years old?
You have a good story but it’s kind of like someone saying a guy named carloz stole my car so every carloz must be the same. There are good and bad unions and good and bad points to unions. Most peoples jobs wouldn’t be as safe,have the hours they do or the rights that they have if it wasn’t for union labor. Most forget what jobs and worker rights were before unions. Like papdan and the teamsters he found out it wasn’t for him which is fine he paid dues and learned a lesson I would assume it was a cheap lesson compared to most that we learn. But let’s say unions didn’t push for safety or workers rights. Would papdan have been able to do what he did for a living when it was based on laws passed and pushed for by unions. im sure he could have but not at the same pay or at the same frequency. I’m not saying unions are without flaw because they are flawed and need a revamp. Like with anything where money is involved there is corruption. Wether it’s gas,tech,charity,church,government etc there will be corruption and downfalls to them along with some good. I graduated from college had my own business and then joined a union when I moved back to where I am at now. I will say that the education I received in the union was better then what I receive at college and was a lot cheaper. But it was sheet metal so it delt with a lot of geometry and math based items along with safety. The classes were accredited and transferable to most colleges in the area. And to get a degree after you needed three extra classes that the sheet metal school didn’t offer. Public speaking, English course and a history of labor course. I thought was odd that they didn’t teach history of labor but looking on it now it shows that they wanted us to have a unbiased opinion on the subject. Anyways that’s my rant and could careless on if you are a union member or not but don’t group everyone in the same group because that will be the downfall of society.

Papadan I will be on your side of the river next week if you want to meet up for lunch at J Gumbos on Frankfort send me a pm.

Mcfly what skills did you learn as a apprentice that have helped you out in your hobby woodworking?

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McFly

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#7 posted 02-15-2017 07:13 PM


Mcfly what skills did you learn as a apprentice that have helped you out in your hobby woodworking?

- diverlloyd

I’m not an apprentice yet. I work in a private custom shop for piss poor pay and am looking at getting into my local union. Theres a basic knowledge test next month. I’m thinking of signing up to see how I do.

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Lee

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#8 posted 02-15-2017 09:00 PM

I’ve been an IBEW member for 30+ years, do woodworking for enjoyment, and the occasional profit LOL

-- Colombia Custom woodworking

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#9 posted 02-15-2017 09:59 PM

Mcfly study up on your math.

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#10 posted 02-15-2017 10:16 PM


What is a union ? Is it the same thing that took almost all earned money from my kids when they were in the middle school. They had a class at school called “work experience” and were required to work some time for local businesses after school hours. Mine unfortunately picked Vons not knowing what it was. They were asked to forfeit their first whole paycheck for the benefits of the union as “some joining fee”, and after that every pay period the union took most of what they earned as naturally they did not make much. The union “adult” managers told them to not expect any benefits, including normal pay untill they work there 6 months or so. The school program lasted 3 months.
There was absolutely no consideration for the age and the circumstances. Money is above all.
Now I fight these “unions” as much as I can. When the landlord of the building where I worked hired some workers to repair the roof the “union” of roof workers ? started picketing the building demanding that the job should be given to them. I harassed and ridiculed them until they left.

- Carloz

I am guessing Vons is a grocery store, I worked at Kroger as my first job and had the exact same experience. I worked 15 hrs a week and lost an entire paycheck every 4 weeks to union dues and initiation fees. Now my dad was an rep for the AFL-CIO and got on that union for stealing from kids.

Unions have the purposes, don’t get me wrong but they have lost their way and sold out their members for political power and money in the last 30 years or so.

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#11 posted 02-15-2017 10:51 PM

Should’t this have been an off-topic post?

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#12 posted 02-15-2017 10:56 PM

Let’s step back. Painting almost any organization with a broad brush is foolish.

A Union is an organization of workers formed to protect the rights and interests of its members. In reality it depends. Some do a better job of it then others, some don’t. Again, they are all a bit different. Some are better at it then others and some industries are more challenging for unions to negotiate in.

I used to be in a trade union (Plumbers and Pipe fitters) as a laborer, then I turned out as an apprentice when a slot open up and I passed the test. As a laborer I got a wage, insurance (as long as I worked 9 months of the year) and some other stuff. As an apprentice, I took a pay cut initially, but still got insurance and required classes twice a week plus access to the labs to practice skills. Again, there were additional benefits. My dues paid for these benefits. Some went to the insurance, some to office staff which I assure you, they didn’t make all that much. others went to pay for my training and there was a required minimum journeyman/apprentice ratio and they expected journeyman to train us as well in the field. I have relatives in this union still or retired, they have pensions. My brother in law was injured with a broken knee and off work, he got disability through the union and reduced health insurance payments.

I was in a different union, it was a subset of AFL-CIO or something, I can’t remember. It was more poorly funded and run. That said, when my employer decided to suddenly fire me so they could hire someone from their church (true story btw, very uncool) they did mange to successfully challenge the rules violation, get me my job back and the two weeks back pay. After which, I gave notice because ultimately no way I was going to win that situation.

3rd story. I work in yet a different industry. I am not in a union I am in IT and somehow considered ‘management’. That’s fine, a huge chunk of the employees are in a union. Every time that the union ‘losses benefits’ or the company shifts costs to the employees during contract negotiations, there is a direct correlation on how much us non union employees are suddenly paying. Negotiated less holiday days? Now I have less. Negotiated pay more for insurance, now I am paying more for insurance. Odd that eh? I’m not even in the union.

I want to note something specific about unions. There are elections. You voted in the person who ran the union. If you and others felt they did a bad job, you could vote them out. They are an organization of people and are run as well as the participation of it’s members. We made more then non union labor.

Each and every industry and the unions in them are different. Some good, some bad. All complicated by a variety of factors. Ultimately, unions are a very capitalistic thing. A pool of labor that negotiates terms of work.

-- -Steven Peck, http://www.blkmtn.org

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#13 posted 02-15-2017 11:20 PM

^well said

-- I measured once, cut twice, and its still too short...

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#14 posted 02-15-2017 11:28 PM



I ve been an IBEW member for 30+ years, do woodworking for enjoyment, and the occasional profit LOL

- Lee

Got a brother and a brotherin law in IBEW. They do well for themselves

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#15 posted 02-15-2017 11:31 PM


Mcfly study up on your math.

- diverlloyd


Agreed. I just noted that no calculators are permitted for the test. Guess I better go brush up on that high school math.

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