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newwoodbutcher

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02-14-2017 06:15 AM

I have four Horton Brasses hinges in Antique brass to install, four screws per hinge. They came with slotted screws. They only sell slotted screws on their website. I’ve just spent 45 minutes searching the net for # 8 antique brass flat head Phillips head screws. It seams no one sells them except one site! And they require a $15 minimum purchase to take my order. I have searched Google, Ebay, Amazon and every ww supply place I shop at. No luck. I have found #8 5/8” brass screws and #8 5/8” antique flat head slotted screws. Anyone have any advice???
And why would anyone want slotted screws anyway?

-- Ken


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#1 posted 02-14-2017 06:27 AM

The BORG has tons of brass flat head phillips screws... they may be bright brass, but that can easily be changed :)

Just one such example site on how to do it:

(and you only need to do the head – the rest will never be seen)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#2 posted 02-14-2017 07:37 AM

”. I’ve just spent 45 minutes searching the net for # 8 antique brass flat head Phillips head screws.” That one giant word is the key to your problem. There is no such thing as an ANTIQUE phillips head screw. If you want to use antique hinges and make them look right, then you HAVE to use slotted head screws. Go to any old tools site on the net and look for antique screw drivers, they are all flat head. Ken, why not slotted screws? Surprised at Brad not knowing this, he knows all. Before trying any chemical aging process, be positive the hardware is solid, the chemicals will eat the plating off all common “brass” screws that are actually plated.

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#3 posted 02-14-2017 02:54 PM

I go to Fastenal for oddball screws. If what you want is something they stock, I could pick up a batch (probably 100) at the local store and toss them in the mail for you. But philips head and antique don’t go together, as papadan points out. I’d go with the slotted screws in this case.

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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#4 posted 02-14-2017 03:02 PM

There are several fastener companies that make Antique Brass plated phillips hinge screws and many hardware stores stock them or can special order them for you. The first thing to know is that hinge screws are odd sizes. Not odd as in “strange”, odd as in “not even”. Search for a #7 or #9 Antique Brass hinge screw and you’ll get results. 5/8 might be a problem, but they are readily available in 1/2 or 3/4 inch lengths.

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#5 posted 02-14-2017 03:25 PM

It seams no one sells them except one site! And they require a $15 minimum purchase

So add something you can use to your order and get them.
Your wasting more of your time looking for them than the 15 dollars.

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#6 posted 02-14-2017 03:51 PM


And why would anyone want slotted screws anyway?

- newwoodbutcher

Any decorative brass screw will usually be preferred in a flat head. Phillips heads are made to cam out when tight. No matter how careful you are with a brass PH screw, there’s a good chance there’s going to be some noticable “boogering” of the recess.

You’re going to have a hard time finding wood screws in 5/8” length. It’ll be easier if you can use 1/2 or 3/4”.


There are several fastener companies that make Antique Brass plated phillips hinge screws and many hardware stores stock them or can special order them for you. The first thing to know is that hinge screws are odd sizes. Not odd as in “strange”, odd as in “not even”. Search for a #7 or #9 Antique Brass hinge screw and you ll get results. 5/8 might be a problem, but they are readily available in 1/2 or 3/4 inch lengths.

- JayT

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newwoodbutcher

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#7 posted 02-14-2017 11:48 PM

Wow! This is a great site, thank you all for the education. I assumed antique was a finish or color. duhh?

So my experience with slotted screws is getting them tight without cam out or twisting out of the slot and bogeying up the screw. I’m much less likely to do that with PH screws. None of you seemed troubled with that. What am I missing here?

-- Ken

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#8 posted 02-14-2017 11:57 PM

Ken, the secret is to use the right screw driver. Needs to fit the screw by seating down in the slot and filling the slot, no slop. good screw driver sets had anywhere from 5 to 10 drivers and they were all slotted.

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#9 posted 02-15-2017 12:08 AM

When needing to use brass screws, you should d take 4 steps,
First pre-drill the correct size hole.
Second, install a zinc screw to cut threads.
Third, remove the Zinc screw
Finally, then install the brass in the pre-made hole.

No problem with cam-out, buggered slot, or broken brass screws.

-- Rustfever, Central California

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#10 posted 02-15-2017 12:10 AM

Wow! This is a great site, thank you all for the education. I assumed antique was a finish or color. duhh?
- newwoodbutcher

You were correct… it is a finish name. From the “House of Antique Hardware”:

The Antique Brass finish is raw brass or brass plating which has been chemically darkened to simulate aged brass.

Unless you are restoring a museum piece, I wouldn’t worry too much about slotted vs phillips.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#11 posted 02-15-2017 12:52 AM


Unless you are restoring a museum piece, I wouldn t worry too much about slotted vs phillips.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


Just WOW!!!! Nothing to do with you about this, but I watched a show about some guys in Detroit. They fully restored some strange looking 1911 vehichle for the Detroit auto museum. This thing was steam I believe, wasn’t reaaly watching close but noticed all the visible metal on it was polished brass. Now think about this and picture what I am talking about. Dual drive screws, don’t know the name of them, I call the junkfurs, they have slotted and phillips heads on them and I see them mostly on Walmart furniture. The slot is in line with one of the phillips cross slots. OK, you know what I’m talking about. Right at the end of this show I saw them installing the big bright polished brass headlights with these screws and used a chrome plated yellow plastic handled screw driver to do it. I swear that is what they showed on TV for a museum restoration. I switched channels and wont be following that show anymore! Detroit Steel is the name I think. JMHO, but the American auto industry that built Detroit deserves much better. Ouch…..fell off my soapbox ;-(

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