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Forum topic by Koogle posted 01-30-2017 09:51 PM 463 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Koogle

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01-30-2017 09:51 PM

I’ve been “learning” about woodworking for the past two years, reading any books I could get my hands on, watching Youtube, and experimenting in the garage making shop stuff (workbench, cabinets, etc.) and some honey-do things around the house as time allowed. (I still work full-time.) And I’ve been collecting tools. :)

A few months back I bought a new Laguna 14bx. Fan-TAS- tic saw. Love it. I upgraded to this from a ShopSmith band saw because I’ve been intrigued by the idea of having a table-saw free workshop and wanted a beefy band saw.

Why table-saw free, you ask? Mostly because of safety. The table-saw scares me. I’ve been considering SawStop as an alternative, but the cost has kept me from pulling the trigger. (When my brother-in-law who has worked in wood shops for forty years told me he nicked his finger on the table saw last year, I’ve been nervous ever since.)

And then yesterday, at The Woodworking Show, I won a brand new Powermatic 14” band saw (PWSBS-14). (Now I have three band saws counting the ShopSmith!) I also have a Dewalt 7480 table-saw, which I like, but I like my fingers more. (The SS band saw, btw, is on a “shorty” SS I made by cutting down the waytubes, and opposite the band saw is a 12” disk sander which I love.)

Question is – What to do? The Powermatic (PM) is valued at $1500 retail and includes the riser bock. (If I add the saw cost plus riser block, tax and shipping, it’s just over $1500.)

The way I see it, I have the following options:

A.) Keep it and have the Laguna set up for resawing and the PM for scroll work. Would two band saws be any better than one in a table-saw free shop? (I’d sell the ShopSmith band saw at that point.)

B.) Sell it and apply the proceeds to a new SawStop. What would be a fair price for a new, still in the box PM?

C.) Give the PM to my OTHER brother-in-law.

The thing is, I have a moderately long list of honey-do’s (bookshelves and built-ins, etc.) but after I’m caught up with those, I’m not sure what I want to focus my attention on as MY thing. I’m intrigued by boxes, benches and fell in love with turning back in high school, so that’s where I’d likely land.

Also of import, I’m sharing a two car garage with two cars and all my tools. I’ve sketched the garage with a SawStop Contractor and Professional and can make either work.

I am open to other Options besides what I’ve laid out and thanks for your help!


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knotscott

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#1 posted 01-30-2017 09:56 PM

Congrats on winning the new BS! Pretty cool.

My shop is TS centered, and like to have the best TS I can afford, but you generally don’t need a great TS if you’ll be doing mainly turning. If you could swing a PCS with the upgraded fence, it’s a heck of a step of from your DW. How are you set for other tools like router(s), planer, jointer?

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#2 posted 01-30-2017 10:00 PM

As someone who sold their table saw and went to a bandsaw centric shop, I can say that plan in eminently doable, if you wish. If you want to remain table saw free, I would pick choice A. Set up one saw for resawing and ripping with a coarse tooth, 1/2in or wider blade and the other with a narrower, finer blade for curves and detail work. The two saws combined will take up far less floor space than a table saw and there is lots to be said for not having to change blades back and forth in the middle of projects. This would be my personal choice in your situation, but you will have to decide for yourself.

I would agree with Scott that a table saw isn’t really necessary if you are doing mostly turning, and if you want to build furniture, it is still totally possible. Google up Michael Fortune. He’s professional woodworker in Canada that uses bandsaws and doesn’t own a table saw.

If you really want a table saw, then choice B is also a good alternative. I would think that still in the box you should be able to get a quick sale at 10% off a competitive retail price.

Of course, there is always choice D. Give the PM to the second person to respond on this thread. :-)

Oh and congrats on the saw. Definitely worthy of a You Suck!

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Koogle

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#3 posted 01-30-2017 10:01 PM

I have three routers (2PC and one DW), a floor model Porter Cable Drill Press, a green jigsaw, drills/impact, Makita track saw, Ridgid planer. I do NOT have a jointer or a lathe.

Thanks for your thoughts,. knotscott

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JayT

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#4 posted 01-30-2017 10:08 PM


I have three routers (2PC and one DW), a floor model Porter Cable Drill Press, a green jigsaw, drills/impact, Makita track saw, Ridgid planer. I do NOT have a jointer or a lathe.

- Koogle

Choice D, then, could be to sell the PM and get a really nice lathe. You could keep the SS band saw set up for curves and still have the sander available, with the Laguna being used for resawing and ripping. Same two bandsaw flexibility, both playing on relative strengths, plus help on the budget toward a better lathe and you don’t have to sell the SS with the sander.

-- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

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Koogle

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#5 posted 01-30-2017 10:21 PM

Thanks, JayT. If my brother-in-law declines the BS, I’ll consider your offer. :)

That’s a good thought about the lathe which I hadn’t considered.

Being a bandsaw centric shop, as you say, have you found not having a jointer to clean up edges to be a problem? Or do you just run the edges through a router table?

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JayT

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#6 posted 01-30-2017 10:28 PM

I do a lot of hand tool work, so do all my jointing with hand planes. A little practice and they come out nice and clean in just a couple passes after the bandsaw cut—better than a powered jointer, for sure. For glue edges, I do match jointing (both edges at the same time) which makes it very easy to get a really tight joint. It’s not for everyone, but is an option that is much easier to become proficient at than most people want to believe.

There’s a bit more info in this blog post

A router table properly set up could easily clean up a bandsaw cut edge, if you wanted to go that route.

-- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

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#7 posted 01-30-2017 10:39 PM

I’d probably sell the PM and buy a second hand 14” for as cheap as I could. I think along the lines of have a saw without a riser that will have less wear and tear running the smaller blades on it so I wouldn’t mind a used saw.

And I’d still have a chunk of change left over for whatever.

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#8 posted 01-31-2017 03:13 PM

I’d lean towards C then B.

Something ‘free’ to you to share with family (assuming they are serious about WW). Otherwise i would sell it and get what I wanted, maybe not even the tablesaw, but there are other tools, like maybe a drum sander, that come in handy versus 2 bandsaws.

that si just me – - I would look to “adding a capability’ before having a duplicate machine… except when it comes to Routers. :-)

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