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Kieth

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09-10-2010 09:23 PM

I am building a router table for my palm router and need to cut the phenolic plate to size. Can this be done on the tablesaw? Didn’t know if I
Should cut this material there or should I do it using a different tool. Thankyou


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Peter Oxley

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#1 posted 09-10-2010 09:50 PM

Keith, I’m going to be making a router base for a router table today, too!

You can work plastic with your woodworking tools. On the table saw, I like to use my melamine blade for plastics, but a cross-cut blade or combo blade will work okay. I wouldn’t use a rip blade unless that’s all you have. For a lot of applications, a router is better than a saw for plastics. You could make the baseplate using a template and a guided router bit.

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Kieth

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#2 posted 09-10-2010 10:16 PM

aweseme! good day to ask questions then. I am fairly new to woodworking obviously, and have a few questions. One tool I have never used is the router! so i thought I would build this table from PLANSNOW.com to use this tool.

First of all, I have been using the blade that came with my Hitachi C10FL but not sure what kind of blade it is… would like to know how to tell what kind of blade it is since it doesnt say on the blade itself. Dont want to make any dangerous mistakes cutting a new material.

also, if anyone knows, I need to mount this bosch palm router to the phenolic plate and not sure if I need to use the square base that came with it or need to order a special base…

If anyone has any insight it would be much appreciated. I love my new hobby and this is the ONLY place I go to ask questions because of the friendly community and great responses. I can include pics of the blade and the bosch router if necessary. THANK YOU!

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Rick Dennington

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#3 posted 09-11-2010 12:25 AM

Greetings Kieth,
I think I’m lost here on the question….Are you talking about a small trim router when you say palm router?
I use my trim router to clean up the edges of say, a table, that has been laminated…. So are you talking about a laminant trim router…...??? I don’t think you’re talkinga bout a regular size router, or a plunge router.
I think I’m brain-dead today, cause I can’t think of anything…. Explain, please….... lol. Pictures, too…..lol

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Kieth

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#4 posted 09-11-2010 04:48 PM

No problem. It’s a Bosch colt palm router. Just a mini version of a regular router. I plan to use this in my adventures in box making. I will try to get a pic sent up but if you google Bosch Colt you should be able to see it there too.

Thanks

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Peter Oxley

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#5 posted 09-11-2010 05:33 PM

Keith, the blade that came with your saw is probably either a “General Purpose” or combination blade. It will work, just feed the plastic a little slowly.

I’ve seen palm routers mounted in tables. It’s less common than putting a full-size router in a table, but there’s no real difference to the concept. The phenolic router table plate you are making replaces the base plate that comes with the router. Drill holes in the phenolic plate to accept the screws that are currently holding on the base plate.

I love it here too – some times I’m asking, and sometimes I’m answering, but LJ is just a great place to share information and ideas.

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Rick

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#6 posted 09-13-2010 05:31 AM

Rick & Kieth:

As Peter said ..great place to share information. So! If I may, and to help Rick with his Brain injury ….GEEZ are ALL Rick’s that way??? ...LOL… Allow me to Post a Picture for You All.

I bought mine about 6 months ago at Lowe’s (Canada) for $168.00, 5.6 Amps., 1HP, 15 To 35,000 RPM as a Kit as shown. I Love this little Guy! Easy to handle, Cuts True and like Butter, Etc.

Kieth: There are a few accessories available for this, but I forget what they are. Maybe you’ve checked that out already.

Here..Drum Roll Please ….Bosch Colt Large 640x480

Regards To All: Rick

-- Hope Everyone Is Doing Well! .... Best Regards: Rick

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PurpLev

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#7 posted 09-13-2010 05:47 AM

make sure you wear a respirator when working with phenolic. Also you’ll need a clean sharp blade. the phenolic is VERY hard on cutting blades – both saws and router bits. work slowly and carefully. the phenolic is very slick, and may want to slip away from your grip – pay extra attention to what’s going on at all times.

Also plan ahead to have serious mess in the area where the phenolic is being cut. I worked with it several times and would avoid it if I had alternatives. but it’s a good material.

-- 抍 When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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Rick Dennington

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#8 posted 09-13-2010 06:00 AM

Greetings Rick,
Yea…. I think maybe some of us are at times….I’ll catch you one of these days on an “off day”,
so be ready…... lol….. I got it now, bro….I have the DeWalt with all the attachments, nut never thought about building a router table and top for it…..I go enough routers and tables atround the shop as it is…I don’t need another one….. I like that little router…..Sure will be a small plate…...lol

-- At my age, an "all--nighter" is not having to get up and pee...!!!

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KB1

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#9 posted 09-14-2010 07:05 AM

Geez!! wear a respirator to cut a tiny little bit of phenolic. Where do you live? California? Where everything is known to cause cancer!!! Glad I do not live there. Phenolic plastic is the same stuff that formica laminates are made of only thicker. Just run it through the saw too slow and you will recognize the smell. It emanates from cabinet shops around the world. KB1

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PurpLev

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#10 posted 09-14-2010 07:47 AM

Geez!! I’m glad you don’t live there too ;)

I just happen to have worked with phenolic personally:

http://lumberjocks.com/PurpLev/blog/8111
http://lumberjocks.com/PurpLev/blog/12919

And thought I could add some input from my own personal experience. cut phenolic produces very fine yellow and stinky dust that gets everywhere, and STAYS there – much worse than MDF. it’s also plastics, and does not decompose too well (if at all). not really related to cancer – but respiratory health issues can be pretty severe. I’d do whatever I can to minimize my exposure to things like this. YMMV.

-- 抍 When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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Rick

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#11 posted 09-15-2010 12:22 AM

KB1: “Geez!! wear a respirator to cut a tiny little bit of phenolic.”

Many years ago I experienced a SEVERE reaction to Pine Sol a Household Cleaner by Inhalation of the Aroma ONLY! Had I arrived at the Hospital 10 Minutes later than I did, I would not be typing this right now. The 911 Medics that took me there knew Exactly what the problem was and told the Docotor in Emerg. He administered an Antidote Immediately and I was there for another day while they flushed the Offending Chemical out of my system.

Care to take a guess as to what it was?? Read the following:

“According to the National Institutes of Health, phenol is toxic and people who are hypersensitive to it could experience death or serious side effects at very low exposures. Plus, it is rapidly absorbed and can cause toxicity throughout the entire body. Typically, death and severe toxicity result from phenol’s effects on the central nervous system, heart, blood vessels, lungs and kidneys.”

That is but one tiny piece of Information I’ve compiled in relation to a number of “Toxic Substances” in Household Cleaners. Wood Finishing Products, and Construction Materials.

I wouldn’t even have a Sheet of that Phenolic CRAP in my Home, let alone work with it for ANY kind of a Project!!

I agree 100% with Sharons statement: “respiratory health issues can be pretty severe. Iā€™d do whatever I can to minimize my exposure to things like this. YMMV.”

I would suggest that ANY Woodwoker that reads this should be aware of this Chemical and a few others that MAY cause the same Reaction!!! Regardless of “Where they Live”.

-- Hope Everyone Is Doing Well! .... Best Regards: Rick

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