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EngineerChic

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01-26-2017 05:08 PM

Topic tags/keywords: carving beginner tools

Quick background …

I’m a hobbyist, with no plans to go pro. I want to pick up wood carving to embellish some of the wood projects I make. Mostly I make picture frames right now (have all the tools I need for that and a backlog of art I bought that needs framing). But I have needs/plans to make a jewelry rack/display soon and other smaller projects as well.

The ideal carving activity for me will involve sitting away from power tools, it would be something to do with my hands while sitting in the backyard. So … No Dremel or angle grinder action ;)

I’ve looked at chip carving and relief carving as options so far. Both require very different knife sets. The woods I have available to me inexpensively are American cherry, soft maple, and sometimes mahogany (lumberyard often has specials on it, at least short pieces).

Any thoughts on what style of carving is more user-friendly with these limitations? Chip carving seems very approachable (low investment in tools, don’t need a ton of knives) but relief carving seems like it might be a better way to accent edges or corners of projects without having to cover the whole thing (more tools, more money on them, and that delytyays buying a planer someday).

Also open to styles I hadn’t even thought of yet, I appreciate the collective wisdom of the group here. Thank you!


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#1 posted 01-26-2017 06:38 PM

Tatiana … does excellent chip carving …mostly in basswood … I think she only uses 1 knife …best is talk with here …cuz she could deffinitly help you out

http://lumberjocks.com/FancyChip

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#2 posted 01-26-2017 08:31 PM

For geometric chip carving, you’ll need three basic knives. Chip carvers often use various gouges to remove curved chips as well.

For relief carving, a couple of knives should suffice – one carving knife, one detail knife. But you’ll need some gouges as well. Here’s a blog article by a carver who makes his living at it. He does a lot of architectural carving, but also does “egg and dart” molding, picture frames, etc. The article is well worth the time it takes to read… http://woodcarvingblog.wordpress.com/technical/tools-i-cant-live-without/

Here’s a site of an expert chip carving with free tutorials, as well as tons of specific info about chip carving – as well as a bunch of free patterns: http://www.lsirish.com/tutorials/woodcarving-tutorials/

Claude

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them700project

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#3 posted 01-26-2017 08:37 PM

flex cut goes on sale tommorrow at woodcraft 30% off. I was thinking of getting a basic blade for in case @&#^

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#4 posted 01-26-2017 08:54 PM

Those woods, with the exception of the Mahogany (depending on species), are going to be hard to carve. Most people use Linden, aka Basswood, or Butternut. I qualify this statement with the fact that I am new at carving.

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#5 posted 01-26-2017 10:48 PM

I think that chip carving is a great place to start. All you need to get started is a couple of knives, a sharpening stone, and maybe some finger protection. You can do it anywhere and it’s very relaxing. It helps if you can get a couple of general books on it. Also take a look at My Chip Carving. Marty Leenhouts owns the site and is a fellow Lumberjocks and he’s a great teacher.

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#6 posted 01-27-2017 12:21 PM

Thanks, everyone, these are great tips.

ClaudeF – I read the article you linked and I think that’s probably a great solution for him, but I get the sense he chose that working style to maximize productivity and income. I can see the value in that … I’m just at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Them700Project … Shucks, too bad about the sale, I work less than 10 miles from a woodcraft store ;). I might have to take a drive by … I need a new straight bit for my router, anyhow.

I’m going to google some more pics of chip carving, it sounds like the way to go and if I can find a style that isn’t overly folk-art-esque, I think it could be a winner.

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#7 posted 01-27-2017 04:14 PM

Also take a look at My Chip Carving. Marty Leenhouts owns the site and is a fellow Lumberjocks and he’s a great teacher.

VERY GOOD LINK Charles
also : https://www.woodcraft.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=flexcut+knives

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MikeinWaunakee

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#8 posted 03-22-2017 10:28 PM

I ram a very experienced woodworker (also an Engineer) who recently started carving and found Mary May’s online carving school perfect for me ($15 per month, but you immediately get access to a couple hundred lessons previously released, which you can download and save for future use). She has beginner to advanced projects, mainly relief carving but a few other types as well. She does classical carving most often (think acanthus leaves) but many other kinds as well. She basically sets up a video camera (which her son then produces) and talks you through the entire project, commenting the entire time. If it takes 3 hrs to carve a project, she will release three one-hr videos, and she explains what she is doing and why she is doing it throughout (“I’m now using a #7 6mm gouge, and I’m going to go clockwise in this area to avoid grain tearout”). She also provides pdf photos of the finished product, tool lists, and outlines to copy. If you check out her website and see what she has to offer, I think you might be pleased.

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#9 posted 03-23-2017 12:16 AM

A piece of advice here from an experienced carver.

No matter what type of carving you do, your knives must be RAZOR sharp!!! You must learn how to sharpen a gouge, knife, or chisel until it can shave the hair off your forearm (being a woman, you may have to select another part of your anatomy). Dull blades or blades with a poor cutting angle to the edge make carving difficult and usually give poor results.

Sharpening is not difficult, but understanding the process and having the right sharpening stones (only a very few are necessary) and strop are necessary. I suggest you watch some videos on YouTube about sharpening. One trick I find very necessary to me is to view the edge periodically under magnification while sharpening. I use a cheap $5 2X degree of magnification Chinese-made magnifying visor and look at the edge straight on under a powerful lamp. An un-sharp edge will show as a bright streak. A sharp edge will show nothing.

I recommend using Arkansas stones and slips for your final sharpening (https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Arkansas-Slips-and-Files-C105.aspx) and a good leather strop with jeweler’s rouge rubbed on it to bring the edge to razor sharpness.

Good luck with your new venture and ask us any questions here that you come to.

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Dan Hulbert

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#10 posted 03-23-2017 01:16 PM

I tried my hand at chip carving for the first time this past weekend. Softest wood in the shop was some cherry. Results were about what you’d expect for a first effort, without the “right” knife in relatively hard wood. I watched a number of youtube videos and found some free patterns to get me started. quite fun to do and could be relaxing once you move up the learning curve a bit.

-- Dan

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Planeman40

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#11 posted 03-23-2017 01:36 PM

I feel sure you know Basswood, also called Linden, is the standard for carving. Relatively soft, not much grain, but holds detail well.

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rwe2156

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#12 posted 03-23-2017 02:38 PM

Those woods you have don’t lend themselves to chip carving. Basswood or butternut are the standards.

Chip carving is an excellent way to start out because you only need a couple knives. I find chip carving much more enjoyable than mallet carving and quite soothing to the soul, too.

The only drawback is carving wood can be difficult to find. There are many supplies who will ship short lengths of basswood and butternut for a reasonable price..

Mallet carving requires a much more extensive collection of gouges + sharpening stones.

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#13 posted 03-24-2017 12:48 AM

Don’t try to carve Cherry until you’ve gone thru quite a few board feet ot bass wood or mahogany. Cherry will break a carvers heart. ask me how I know.

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#14 posted 03-24-2017 12:56 AM

I would also say chip carving since it gets you to know two tools very well and that is all it takes.

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#15 posted 03-24-2017 10:07 AM

For what it’s worth, I started carving spoons in dry, well-cured cherry. It’s a pain, but you’ll learn a lot about working with the grain if you pay attention. Knocked out two spoons from some elm last night, and compared to cherry, it was a snap to work. By all means, work with the cherry if it appeals to you, but be aware that’s not the easiest path. The soft maple may be easier to work. And have fun!

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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