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Forum topic by gerrym526 posted 01-24-2008 05:41 AM 14316 views 0 times favorited 28 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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gerrym526

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01-24-2008 05:41 AM

I’d like to get the definitive answer on this one. When bevel ripping on a table saw with a blade that tilts towards the fence, the common practice is to move the rip fence to the left side of the blade so the cut off piece falls to the outside of the blade. That’s how I’ve always done it, but the technique is awkward to say the least.
However, I’ve occasionally seen pictures in books and magazines that occasionally show the rip fence in the normal position, ie. to the right of the blade and the piece being cut pushed between the blade and the fence. Was I dreaming or is this a safe acceptable practice?
Should mention that my Unisaw is set up with a stationary spliitter in line with the blade at 90 degrees, but does not tilt with the blade like some splitters on European saws.

Thanks in advance for your help.

-- Gerry


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#1 posted 01-24-2008 06:06 AM

I can’t say definitively what is correct, but I never cut a bevel with the wood trapped under the blade
and between the fence.

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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#2 posted 01-24-2008 06:30 AM

I’d be leery of doing it.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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#3 posted 01-24-2008 06:33 AM

Always seemed like loading a gun aimed right at yourself. I’ll take awkward over dangerous.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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#4 posted 01-24-2008 01:08 PM

Beveling with the wood trapped like this is an accident waiting to happen.

-- Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful- Joshua Marine

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#5 posted 01-24-2008 01:19 PM

Trapping the cutoff never was a good idea.

-- Bob Vila would be so proud of you!

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#6 posted 01-24-2008 01:42 PM

Thats just Dangerous.

-- Andy Stark

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#7 posted 01-24-2008 02:13 PM

Really depends on what you’re cutting. Beveling the edge of a wide plank is no problem. Beveling thick stock with the blade close to the fence gets a little precarious.

-- "The way to make a small fortune in woodworking- start with a large one"

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#8 posted 01-24-2008 03:34 PM

id dial 911 first then make your cut . lol

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#9 posted 01-24-2008 03:46 PM

How long is the wood you are cutting?
I have used my crosscut sled (24”) for this cut as I built it with a vertical hold down so there is little risk of tossing the stick out from under it.
The base is Mdf and I just glue in a new strip of it to close the gap from the bevel when I’m done.
p.s. it’s not an everyday event here BTW.

Bob

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#10 posted 02-16-2008 02:46 PM

Recently there was a very ‘heated’ argument on a different forum that I frequent on this very subject with several European woodworkers weighing in on the debate. There was also a neat video to watch using a low rip fence and also a “short fence” on the right tilt table saw. (I guess it is illegal to use a left tilt saw in any commercial shop in most of Europe. Also all their saws must have riving knives instead of splitters.)
Anyway, I’ve got a right tilt saw and I think I’ll continue to move the fence to the left side when making a angle rip cut even if does feel awkward.

-- Jim

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#11 posted 02-16-2008 03:47 PM

Yesterday and in direct conflict with my preceding statement I made up a 45° bevel crosscut sled.
It is similar to the one shown above and uses the same hold down to avoid more clutter.
My joints are dead on with this jig and you cant put a hair in the line between the parts.
If only for accuracy I would build this but the safety is unchallengable.

In esscence this does move the wood to the left of the blade.

p.s. Jim, what forum were you looking at with the debate on North American tools.
Surely those “Europeans” must have something else to do with their time.

They seem so caught up on doing what the “state” dictates that they cant think .
Imagine a tablesaw designed by bureaucrats. <g>

Bob

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#12 posted 02-16-2008 03:59 PM

I can’t imagine why left-tilt would be more dangerous than right-tilt. I’ve had both types of saws and I move the fence to both sides of the blade depending on the operation. The fence spends more time to the right of the blade with a left-tilt saw.

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#13 posted 02-16-2008 04:10 PM

I have two right tilt saws and have, for the past thirty years, done bevel ripping with the fence to the right of the blade. On the very rare occasion, the piece has come out like a bullet.

I NEVER stand directly behind the piece being ripped (always off to the side) whether beveled or not

I always lock the shop and make sure no one is standing near the area of danger.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#14 posted 02-16-2008 05:11 PM

Okay I wasn’t sure about posting a link to another forum and have now found out that it’s okay with everyone.
Here is the link that other debate on left and right tilt saws and ripping:
http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=2970
Check out the video link that is within one of the postings on using a short fence. Very interesting concept.

-- Jim

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#15 posted 02-17-2008 05:38 PM

I wasn’t sure Jim until you gave us the link but that guy has been on a mission all over North american wood forums endorsing the European standards while at the same time undermining the safety of North American tables saws.
I really don’t understand why he can’t just leave it be.

Not taking sides right now, just a little tired of the constant malarkey and continuous cross posting of same.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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