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Forum topic by MedicKen posted 09-07-2010 03:53 AM 4582 views 0 times favorited 20 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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MedicKen

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09-07-2010 03:53 AM

I told myself I would never pay the astronomical prices for Festool products when they first hit the market a few years ago. However, I am really tired of the POS Craftsman SCMS I have. My review of my current saw is here. I am curious if there are other LJ’s that have shelled out the $1300 for the Kapex and how they feel about the purchase? Is it really worth the price? I really like the forward rails and the small footprint of the saw. My current saw sits almost 36” from the wall and I have almost worn out my hip running into it. If you had to do it all over again, would you?

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com


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mcase

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#1 posted 09-07-2010 05:31 AM

It may be worth it depending on what you want it for. If you are looking to crosscut wider pieces in the shop then a well-made cabinet saw with true parallel miter slots and a well made crosscut sled with metal rails will produce far more accurate and consistent cuts than any sliding miter. The same would hold true for a good miter sled on a good saw. But if you do not own a truly accurate cabinet saw and are going to rely on a sliding miter for accuracy in your crossscuts, then lets face it the Festool is probably the best sliding miter made. But Having said that keep in mind almost anything will beat the Crapsman. A Bosch is real nice and is only about $550. Milwaukee, Hitachi, etc. are all in the roughly the same price range. There are a number of decent machines for less than half the cost of the Festool any of which and would be a vast improvement over the Crapsman. But there is the footprint to consider too. You know your working methods best. If your a SCMS sorta guy and need the room then bite the bullet and buy the Festool. As Pat points out it only hurts once. But, meaning no disrespect to Pat I would have to disagree about buying anything used from a contractor. Too many of them beat the stuffing out of their tools and the machine would have no warranty.

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MedicKen

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#2 posted 09-07-2010 05:58 AM

The majority of my woodworking is cabinet making and require tight miters and crown moulding. I have also considered the Bosch but I really like the smaller footprint. I am limited on room and the Kapex would fit in really well, except for the price that is.

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com

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Cato

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#3 posted 09-07-2010 02:25 PM

Ken, I guess I am with the other posters here in that if you are in the business then the price is probably justified, though I wonder how many would take such an expensive piece on site and risk it getting legs.

There are a lot of really decent alternatives that would be a big improvement over your current SCMS, however there is still that footprint issue if space is at a premium.

I measured my 10” Makita that I got a couple months back and it is a vast vast improvement in accuracy over my Sears RAS, but its footprint still requires 35” in depth.

So if you want the best and can afford/justify it, then go for it, otherwise there are several really good 10 inch models for half the price.

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richgreer

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#4 posted 09-07-2010 02:44 PM

FWIW – Festool claims that their Kapex miter saw, coupled with one of their dust extractors, will capture 91% of the dust. That has to be the best in the market. That, in itself, is not a reason to buy it, but it is a plus.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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Greedo

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#5 posted 09-07-2010 02:55 PM

if you want to save space and have quality cuts then Bosch is coming out with a verry innovative saw :
http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/30339/new-12-inch-miter-saw-from-bosch
i think it will be less than half the kapex price, but even then i think that in my case that is still verry expensive. i don’t have a space problem and i only use my miter saw for rough length cutting. all the precision work is done on the TS

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TheDane

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#6 posted 09-07-2010 04:35 PM

I think if I were doing this (woodworking) for a living, I could probably justify the cost of the Festool product. The new Bosch is an interesting design and would be worth considering.

As a hobbyist, I get by pretty well with my low-cost Pro-Tech 10”. With a decent quality blade (Freud), I get good quality cuts. Like Greedo, I use the CMS for rough cuts, and do the finishing cuts on the table saw.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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richgreer

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#7 posted 09-07-2010 05:11 PM

I do have a space problem and I currently have a conventional SCMS (Makita) that has to sit out quite a ways from the wall.

At the time I bought it I seriously considered the Hitachi that requires less space but I could not buy a tool that ugly.

That Bosch looks great – - but $800 is still a lot of money. Maybe $800 is the standard retail price and the street price will be lower.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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jusfine

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#8 posted 09-07-2010 05:52 PM

Ugly, Rich? Only a face a mother could love?
Take a look at the second photo on my shop pics, how can you call that ugly? :)

When Hitachi introduced their first 10” SCMS many years ago, I bought it for $1349.00.
Two months later, when the demand was there, it dropped to $999.00, and the later versions with laser and (I think) an inferior design, dropped the price even lower.

I was in the middle of a large apartment finishing job, and it almost paid for itself there.

It still is the smoothest one I have used (I also have a Milwaukee) and my go-to saw.

I don’t do any more contract finishing, and the Festool is a nice saw (costs $1650.00 here), but I can’t justify it either…

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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Steven H

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#9 posted 09-07-2010 06:13 PM

I would not spend $1,300 on a saw. But I would spend it on other Festool tools like sander, dust collector,etc.
Also check out Makita, Jet, Bosch, saws

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richgreer

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#10 posted 09-07-2010 08:41 PM

justfine – - I could only see your Hitachi SCMS from a distance but I could see that it is not one of the newer versions. The newer ones look like a kid’s athletic shoe gone bad. If you get the one with the digital display it looks like something from outer space.

http://www.hitachipowertools.com/product/files/saws/miter_saws/C12LSH_top10web.jpg_prod_mx.jpg

The only Hitachi I have is a very nice cordless drill (12 volt) and on this tool they toned down their outlandish style statement.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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Dan Lyke

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#11 posted 09-07-2010 10:35 PM

Ken, the good thing about Festool’s fixed pricing is that though the dealers get a hefty profit for selling it to you, they have to compete on something other than price. That’s pretty much service.

If I were in the market (and I may get one after I build my new shop), I’d go down to my local dealer with some lumber and make myself a mitered frame. See (and feel) for yourself how the tool works. If your dealer won’t let you build something on their Kapex, find another dealer (or, worst case, buy it and return it within the 30 days if you’re not convinced).

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/User:DanLyke

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closetguy

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#12 posted 09-07-2010 11:59 PM

Well, I do this for a living and I can not justify $1300 for a miter saw. My Dewalt does the job just fine.

-- I don't make mistakes, only design changes....www.dgmwoodworks.com

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Kent Shepherd

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#13 posted 09-08-2010 12:09 AM

Dan Lyke, where is this hefty profit we are supposed to get? With the demos I had to buy just to be a dealer, and the inventory I have to keep, my profit at this point is about -(Yes, That’s minus) 30%. Now the banks profit, that’s a different story!

And Ken, you certainly may come use my demo, that’s what it’s for. Unfortunately, Texas is a bit far from you.

Back to the question—”Is it worth it” Only you can decide that. Having used the saw, I can’t answer for you. Right now I personally have a Makita 12” Slider. I love the saw. Is it the quality of Festool? Absolutely not. Is the Kapex worth twice the price? To those who can afford it—-yes. The adjustments are far superior to anything on the market. Being Festool, It should last much longer and stay true better than anything else, and be a total joy to use. Again, can you justify the $$$$$? Have you had a chance to see, touch and try the saw. If not, you need to. That’s really the only way to decide.

-- She thought I hung the moon--now she just thinks I did it wrong

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MedicKen

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#14 posted 09-08-2010 12:30 AM

Thanks for all the input. I have seen and looked at most of the other major brand name saws. I do not have the Kapex available close by to compare. The nearest store is a 4 hr drive, still much closer than you Kent, and I truly appreciate the offer. I think all things being considered I will most likely choose the Bosch, I have had it at the top of the list for a long time and have had real good luck with Bosch tools in the past. I do have a Bosch router package and cordless 18V drill and both have stood up well. I am not a contractor, just a home hobbyist and love woodworking. I just can’t justify the $1300.

-- My job is to give my kids things to discuss with their therapist....medic20447@gmail.com

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jusfine

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#15 posted 09-08-2010 01:21 AM

Ritch, I have to agree, the saw on the link you posted does look a little like an alien… :)

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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