| Forum topic by Vrtigo1 | posted 992 days ago | 4020 views | 1 time favorited | 12 replies | ![]() |
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992 days ago |
I know there are tons of posts on the subject, but none specifically addressing my question that I could find. I have a whole mess of 2×4 shelving in my garage, and feel the time has come to rip it out and build something better. I want to build some wall cabinets, but am stuck on trying to figure out what to build them out of. 3/4 birch plywood seems like it would be my first choice, but at about $45/sheet, I wanted to see if there were any other good options. I’m not opposed to spending the money to do it right, but am trying to figure out what “right” is. I’ll probably just paint the cabinets, so I was thinking about using MDF, which is about $30/sheet, but I’m not sure if there would be any problems using it in an uninsulated garage in Florida, plus from my experience it doesn’t hold screws very well. I can also get BC pine plywood for about $35/sheet, but not sure if that would look good enough when painted, or if it would even be worth saving the $10/sheet over birch. Are there any other good options? I’m planning on making face frames and door frames out of pine and using MDF for door panels. Am I at least on the right track there? |
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#1 posted 991 days ago |
I’d avoid MDF in a Florida garage. Way too humid. -- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com |
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#2 posted 991 days ago |
Greetings, -- " Don't ever wrestle a pig in a mudhole....he'll be having more fun than you..!! |
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#3 posted 991 days ago |
i have actually made mdf cabinets, with pine face frames in my projects. i don’t like to use plywood, it’s expensive, it splinters, it has a grain direction wich looks silly when the grain goes across the length. and i find it’s more easy to make solid screwed glued joints in mdf than with ply. but mdf does look quite bland, you got to like it. |
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#4 posted 991 days ago |
Hey Rick, those cabinets do look good. Bit confused though…why do you have two table saws with an outfeed table between them??? Looks like the setup for some kind of “I can cut wood faster than you” game. Heh. |
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#5 posted 991 days ago |
I’d would use the birch plywood; however it would be nice if you can get some that is good and flat. You might do better getting some from a cabinet shop supplier than from the big box people. -- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau |
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#6 posted 991 days ago |
Definitely go with the birch ply. However, depending on ow you plan to construct them, you could save some money by using 1/2” for the sides. Using 3/4 for wall cabinet boxes is really overkill. -- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood" |
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#7 posted 991 days ago |
I used 3/4” birch ply and French cleats for the cabinets in my garage … thought about MDF, but I avoid that stuff like the plague for anything that needs to take hard use and abuse. -- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!" |
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#8 posted 991 days ago |
Greetings again, Vrtigo, Thanks for looking at the shop..thought it might give you some ideas of what the birch would look like..
The reason I have 2 tablesaws back to back is two-fold…The old Craftsman was my very first saw that -- " Don't ever wrestle a pig in a mudhole....he'll be having more fun than you..!! |
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#9 posted 991 days ago |
Makes sense, Rick. I bet it’s nice not having to change out the stacked dado set. Everyone else, thanks for the replies. I think I will go with 3/4 birch for the backs and make the rest out of 1/2” birch. |
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#10 posted 991 days ago |
Industry standard is 3/4 or 5/8 materials for the case, 1/4 for the back. I don’t think you’d get a good joint between the face frame and the case if you used 1/2 material for the case. Further, you’d likely have issues with whatever shelf support system you chose for the inside. Melamine products are a natural for this project. No painting, as has been noted, and the light colors will really contribute to the overall brightness in your garage, something that becomes more important as we age. Another beauty of MM and MDF is the lack of grain—it makes for more effiicient use of the material. The best way to deal with the exposed edges is edgebanding, which can be done low-tech with your basic thrift store Mary Proctor iron. Good matching paint is an option. If you apply the 1/4 back without a rabbet in the case, you have covered that edge; the faceframe covers the front, so all you need to edgeband is the top and bottom edges of the sides. I’d suggest you look for an alternative to the pine for faceframes. It doesn’t like to stay straight and is not fond of holding hinge screws. I am not sure what would be the right choice in your part of the country. Regarding the comments about particle board and mdf holding screws, the answer to that is don’t use them. Biscuits are a great way to joint the case pieces. (If you don’t have that facility, rabbet the sides (1/3 deep) and use pin nails.) Use Extend glue, slather the four pieces together, clamp, and then apply the already-built faceframe and clamp it. (You can also biscuit the ff on, but it’s not really necessary. If you do, cut just the bottom rail and one stile—let the rest land where they may and just glue them.) The 2 1/4 nailers go inside the back, top and bottom for uppers, and the 1/4 back (any material—you’ll never see it) over that. Done! My apologies for the windiness of this reply. -- "...in his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in mangled forms." --Shakespeare, "As You Like It" |
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#11 posted 991 days ago |
I have had VERY bad experiences with MDF in coastal Texas. Florida can’t be much better. I know good quality plywood is a bit on the spendy side, but it is well worth it. Cheap plywood however, will have you cursing the day you walked into the lumber yard! Not sure if they are in Florida, but I have found Sutherlands to have good birch and oak cabinet grade plywood. -- Manufacturer of fine quality sawdust since 1984. Comments and advice on my shop welcome. Check it out at http://lumberjocks.com/dbhost/workshop. Gladly accepting shop build donations! |
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