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Forum topic by woodstudio posted 01-10-2017 09:00 PM 576 views 0 times favorited 4 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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woodstudio

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01-10-2017 09:00 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dust collector dust deputy fein fernco shop vac tip pvc

Background:
I looked and read about this subject on many woodworking forums and there are great ideas to be found. I used many of them and hope these details might help someone else.
I do occasional woodworking activities in a small shop in the basement of my home. Most larger tools I have use 2-1/2 inch ports. Several portable power tools I own have smaller ports. I’ve owned and used a larger 1 HP dust collection system with 4 in. hoses and it proved to be awkward to handle, a pain to connect, and sometimes lacking in suction. So I decided to look into a shop vacuum based system. I know you can buy off the shelf solutions and more powerful dust collectors, but I wanted a shop made solution.

My Criteria:
Low noise
Infrequent dust dumping
Minimum filter cleaning (hence a cyclone was needed)
2-1/2 in. hoses (and capability for small hoses)
Able to use standard utility nozzles (floor sweep and crevice tool)
Minimum floor space
Remote controlled switch

First Attempt:
I built a noise reduction box out of 3/4 inch plywood for a standard 5 HP shop vacuum based on a web article titled “How to Silence Your Shop Vac”. It is basically a cabinet for your vacuum that is lined with noise reduction panels. While this technique works to minimize the noise level, it wasn’t easy to find noise reduction insulation at a reasonable price, and the box just took up too much floor space for me at 25×25x34 inches high (not including the cyclone and dust bin).
However, during this attempt I found out about Fernco plumbing couplings. To connect to the vacuum inlet, I used a 2 in. No Hub Coupling NH-22 (metal sleeve removed) and fit it over the inlet into which I then inserted a 2 in. PVC 45 degree street elbow. Into the elbow went a custom made PVC fitting that accepts a standard 2-1/2 vacuum hose fitting. I also used a Fernco P1059-150 Coupling on the cyclone.
By the way, your own hose fittings can be made by heating a PVC pipe with a heat gun and pushing it onto the end of a hose. Just search for YouTube videos such as “Make PVC Shop Vac Fittings”.

Final Version:
To take up less floor space I looked into low noise vacuums. I ended up with the Fein Turbo I vacuum connected to an Oneida Air Systems Dust Deputy. The Turbo I and II have the same specs other than the size of the container; I wanted the smaller one. The Fein is relatively quiet and will accept 2-1/2 inch hoses directly in the inlet (though it comes with a smaller hose). I wanted more than a 5-gallon plastic bucket for dust, so I used a 10-gallon fiber barrel. I built a cart out of 1×4’s to hold the vacuum, dust bin and cyclone. To complete the connections, I used a 5.5-foot hose and right angle vacuum hose adapter from Oneida. To hold the 13-foot hose a central vacuum hose hanger was attached to the side of the cart. And an outlet with a wireless remote is how I turn the system on/off.

Component List:
Fein Turbo I Vacuum Dust Extractor
10 gal fiber barrel
15-3/8 in. dia. barrel lid made from 3/4 plywood
Oneida Dust Deputy
Oneida angle right vacuum hose adapter
Oneida 5.5 ft 2-1/2 in. hose
Fernco P1059-150 coupling
Ridgid 13 foot 2-1/2 in. hose
Woods Weatherproof Outdoor Outlet with Wireless Remote (less than $10!)
Central vac wire hose hanger
1×4’s for the cart structure
2 inch casters

closeup of original vacuum inlet adapters

the first attempt to quiet things

the final design


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#1 posted 01-10-2017 10:04 PM

I’m surprised you need a SDD with the Fein. I would have thought it did a fine job getting all the gunk out of the air without frequent cleanings or dumping.

If the only tools in your shop are smaller hand held tools, I think you are doing okay, although I wonder how much suction you are losing through the SDD. Is the “right angle vacuum hose adapter” a wide sweep or really a right angle? You don’t want a right angle.

But if you have a table saw, a bandsaw, jointer and/or planer, you can’t clear either chips or fines with a vac. You need a much bigger motor and impeller. You can solve the fines problem by wearing a really good mask. It isn’t safe to operate your bigger tools with a vacuum and a 2 1/2” hose.

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#2 posted 01-13-2017 01:51 AM

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#3 posted 01-13-2017 02:15 AM

I picked up a Dewalt dust extractor with an automatic filter cleaning feature. It reverses air through the filters periodically to keep them clean. It has all the bells and whistles like the Festool , Bosch, and Fein extractors. It works well for routers, sanders, and biscuit jointers. I wouldn’t dare hooking it up to my planer or tablesaw though. They just produce too large a volume of chips and dust.

I use a full sized cyclone for stationary tools. Like you, I found a small 1 hp single-stage collector to be awkward. Once I dedicated permanent space for all of my floor standing tools, the cyclone made more sense.

Good luck with it.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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#4 posted 01-13-2017 04:58 PM

BTW Regarding use of right angles on a dust deputy vacuum system this is what an Oneida rep said-

“They may have been referring to right angles in duct work which we do not suggest. On these deputies along with the velocity of the shop vac the travelling air will not be affected by the sharp bend of the 90 deg elbow.”

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