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msinc

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01-08-2017 05:49 PM

I intend to purchase a nice bandsaw in the very near future. I don’t have any really big projects in mind, but I might just do some resawing and was looking at the Laguna 18-3000 series vs. the 14-14SUV vs. just the 14-BX. For no more than what the bigger saw cost I feel like that is the way to go…someone once said, “nobody ever wishes they had a smaller bandsaw!!”

My first question is about the blade guides…are the ceramic guides really “all that” over a decent ball bearing set up? And/or is there a better or best set up regarding blade guides? I know they are very important to good blade tracking and operation.

What is the purpose or reason to select an “Italian” style or model bandsaw????

The Laguna saws look like nice ones, but I guess the big question is, if you were in need of a really nice bandsaw that will be the last one you buy…which one would it be and why????

Thanks in advance for any info!!!


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becikeja

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#1 posted 01-08-2017 06:12 PM

I purchased a Powermatic PWBS-14CS Bandsaw several years ago. When I purchased it came with a 6” riser block. To be honest I have never installed it but I have the capacity if I ever need it. The saw has been great. I did add the Carter blade guides and the Carter stabilizer for doing tight curves. I would not hesitate to recommend this set up.

-- Don't outsmart your common sense

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#2 posted 01-08-2017 06:16 PM

Simple answer is no one saw can do it all, really depends on what you intend to do?
I really like the Grizzly saws and was torn between the Laguna 14/12 or the Grizz 513
but ended up with a General 17” and a Rikon 10” (hate switching blades) if shop space
allowed it would change the 10” for a 14” or better yet just add another saw!
IMHO not impressed of the ceramic guides, but the Rikon 10” is a pain to set up
but luckily don’t change blades on it or at least havn’t yet.
If at all possible try to actually use some different saws, ( change the blades and set the guides )
you will know real quickly what you don’t like!

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#3 posted 01-08-2017 06:30 PM

I used to have a Laguna BS and the only thing I liked about it were the Laguna ceramic guides.
They scrap off pitch and dust and you can set very close to the blade.
Someday I might get them for my Aggazani but for now I make do with the Euro guides.
I also like the Resaw King blade for jointery and expensive resawing woods.

Aj

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#4 posted 01-08-2017 07:13 PM

Msinc,

When I was confronted with “the which bandsaw to buy” decision, I ended up with the Grizzly G0636X 17” Ultimate Bandsaw, although it will stretch your budget a bit. I have been impressed with the saw and have no regrets. It offers a stiff frame that resists flexing very well and enough cast iron and heavy gauge steel and, along with the 5 hp. motor, weighs 620 pounds. Although I do not tilt the table, it tilts with a rack and pinion mechanism. The saw has ball bearing guides which I believe keep the blade running cooler. The upper and lower guides are accessible and easily adjusted, although a wrench is required. It may be worth considering as your last bandsaw.

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#5 posted 01-08-2017 07:25 PM

The saw has ball bearing guides which I believe keep the blade running cooler.
- JBrow

Common misconception. See this review of the various blade guides over at the Woodworkers Gazette:
Bandsaw Blade Guide Review by Jim Mattson
(heat myth discussed on page two)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#6 posted 01-08-2017 08:56 PM

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msinc

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#7 posted 01-08-2017 11:30 PM

Thanks to all of you for your excellent posts regarding my question!!!!! It is greatly appreciated. I fully intend to research each model mentioned as well as some others before I decide which saw will be shipped here. The links to the guide articles answered all of my questions regarding guides…..by the time I get the new one I will be qualified as “band saw expert”!!!! Thanks again and if there is any other tips tricks or info regarding band saws please don’t hesitate to post.

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msinc

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#8 posted 01-11-2017 01:27 AM

Well, today I spoke with the folks at Laguna and I also talked to a dealer for Powermatic. Seems that the Laguna I was interested in is the one they sell made in China. The italian machines are almost twice the money and my big question was “what is left off of the one that is half the money?
I am going soon to have a look at the Powermatic 15”. If I like it it is coming home with me. I like the features and the person I talked to did a very good job of explaining them…to the point that I think I need to go and look at this thing.
Anyone else out there have a Powermatic bandsaw
?? Please post your experience with it and any issues you might have had. How do you guys like the blade guides??? Thanks in advance for any info!!!

Edit: I really don’t know why half my post is getting put into italics…it doesn’t show any until I post it.

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JBrow

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#9 posted 01-11-2017 03:12 PM

Msinc,

I had the Powermatic 15” bandsaw on the list of bandsaws I considered. I felt the lower blade guides were too far below the table, but honestly I am not sure whether this mattered all that much. I concluded that after comparing the Grizzly G0636X 17” to the Powermatic 15” saw, the Grizzly offered better value for me. On the flip side, I have several Powermatic machines, including ones purchased in the last few years. From this experience I conclude that Powermatic continues to build quality machinery even though I think they moved their manufacturing off-shore. I am sure their 15” bandsaw is a very good machine.

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msinc

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#10 posted 01-12-2017 03:21 AM

Thanks again for all the replies and info!!! Well, today I went and had a look at several different bandsaws. I ended up bringing the Powermatic 1500 15” bandsaw home. I also needed a nice drill press. The dealer had a Powermatic 2800B 18 inch variable speed drill press which I promptly fell in love with, so it came home too. Haven’t had a chance to get them set up wired and running yet, but I will give a report as soon as I do.

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#11 posted 01-12-2017 03:40 AM


Well, today I spoke with the folks at Laguna and I also talked to a dealer for Powermatic. Seems that the Laguna I was interested in is the one they sell made in China. The italian machines are almost twice the money and my big question was “what is left off of the one that is half the money?
I am going soon to have a look at the Powermatic 15”. If I like it it is coming home with me. I like the features and the person I talked to did a very good job of explaining them…to the point that I think I need to go and look at this thing.
Anyone else out there have a Powermatic bandsaw
?? Please post your experience with it and any issues you might have had. How do you guys like the blade guides??? Thanks in advance for any info!!!

Edit the OP responded while I was typing so obviously he can disregard my suggestion. Enjoy your new saw!

Edit: I really don t know why half my post is getting put into italics…it doesn t show any until I post it.

- msinc

If the Powermatic 1500 is in your budget take a serious look at the Minimax MM16/S400p. The Centauro (Italian) built Minimax saws are in my opinion (and many others) the best steel framed saws you can buy today. They are built heavier than the ACM built Laguna saws.

The OP posted while I was typing so disregard my post. RE the PM drill press, I think you mean 2800b and you should also look at the new Nova Voyager DVR drill press

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msinc

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#12 posted 01-12-2017 03:44 AM


Well, today I spoke with the folks at Laguna and I also talked to a dealer for Powermatic. Seems that the Laguna I was interested in is the one they sell made in China. The italian machines are almost twice the money and my big question was “what is left off of the one that is half the money?
I am going soon to have a look at the Powermatic 15”. If I like it it is coming home with me. I like the features and the person I talked to did a very good job of explaining them…to the point that I think I need to go and look at this thing.
Anyone else out there have a Powermatic bandsaw
?? Please post your experience with it and any issues you might have had. How do you guys like the blade guides??? Thanks in advance for any info!!!

Edit: I really don t know why half my post is getting put into italics…it doesn t show any until I post it.

- msinc

If the Powermatic 1500 is in your budget take a serious look at the Minimax MM16/S400p. The Centauro (Italian) built Minimax saws are in my opinion (and many others) the best steel framed saws you can buy today. They are built heavier than the ACM built Laguna saws.

- AHuxley

Thanks for the reply…the Powermatic 1500 is not just in my budget, it’s in my shop!!! Picked one up today. See post above.

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AHuxley

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#13 posted 01-12-2017 04:04 AM


Well, today I spoke with the folks at Laguna and I also talked to a dealer for Powermatic. Seems that the Laguna I was interested in is the one they sell made in China. The italian machines are almost twice the money and my big question was “what is left off of the one that is half the money?
I am going soon to have a look at the Powermatic 15”. If I like it it is coming home with me. I like the features and the person I talked to did a very good job of explaining them…to the point that I think I need to go and look at this thing.
Anyone else out there have a Powermatic bandsaw
?? Please post your experience with it and any issues you might have had. How do you guys like the blade guides??? Thanks in advance for any info!!!

Edit: I really don t know why half my post is getting put into italics…it doesn t show any until I post it.

- msinc

If the Powermatic 1500 is in your budget take a serious look at the Minimax MM16/S400p. The Centauro (Italian) built Minimax saws are in my opinion (and many others) the best steel framed saws you can buy today. They are built heavier than the ACM built Laguna saws.

- AHuxley

Thanks for the reply…the Powermatic 1500 is not just in my budget, it s in my shop!!! Picked one up today. See post above.

- msinc

LOL you posted again while I was editing my post after seeing your new post. Note the suggestion of another DP to consider.

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msinc

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#14 posted 01-17-2017 01:56 AM

Thanks again for all the replies folks…well, I have both machines set up and wired up and although I haven’t put them thru any serious paces yet I do have a few things to say in regards to the machines and the folks that make them.
I had trouble with the bottom blade guide and had to remove the table and trunnion to get it to center. There was nothing wrong withh the blade guide itself, just that the trunnion assembly was bolted on so offset that the left guide would get closer than about 1/8” to the blade. That was resolved easy enough. Then, when I tried to square the table to the blade, I found a little over 1/8” of crown in the table and was unable to proceed. I did cut a few scraps and play a little after calling the factory and they immediately sent out a new table. Once I get everything adjusted with the new table I can try it out for real.
The drill press, for those like me that have not had “hands on” a really nice one in quite some time, was a real pleasure to work with. I am very happy with the choice to go with Powermatic. I am sure the table being crowned is a rare thing and more a tribute to my own bad luck!!! This is probably the first one to reach a customer in the whole existence of the company. I just called about it Friday around noon and the new one is being delivered tomorrow.

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