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Tim_Hatmenn

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01-05-2017 04:57 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question tablesaw

Hey guys, I’m new to this forum and this my first post. I updated the about me section of my profile with a little background information.

The main reason for this post is to ask advise on table saws. I will be using the table saw for hobbyist type projects. Dust collection will most likely be an old shop vac and maybe a 5 gallon bucket style cyclone if I feel like making one. I’ve done a fair bit of research and have narrowed my search to a hybrid style saw with a mobile base (I only a 250 sqft shop). I hope to upgrade to a cabinet style saw in a few years when I have a larger work space. The very tip top of my price range is $800. I have looked on Craigslist in my city and in pretty much every city within 150 miles, and selection of decent used table saws is slim. I am considering the Ridgid R4512 and Delta 36-5000.

On the Delta: It seems like the 36-725 was well liked and was sold at about $600 however, it appears it is discontinued and “replaced” by the 36-5000 and 36-5100. The 5000 has stamped steel extension wings, a 13 amp motor, and is available for about $750.00, the 36-5100 has cast steel wings and 15 amp motor ans sells for about $900

On the Ridgid: I’ve read through posts here and most people say this saw sucks. But I’ve watched a lot of YouTube reviews from people who have used the Ridgid for about a year and are very happy with it. The ridgid is about $550

I’m also going to look at used an older hybrid style Jet table saw on craigslist. My main concern with that saw is the lack of a riving knife

I basically just want your opinions. I’m curious to see if any of draw backs to ridgid saw have been fixed, or if it still has trunnion issues


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WhyMe

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#1 posted 01-05-2017 05:49 PM

The Delta 36-725 is not discontinued as far as I know. It appears to be made for and sold by Lowe’s. It can be still found on the Delta site if doing a direct search for 36-725.

Edit: The 36-5000 series has 15A motor.

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#2 posted 01-05-2017 06:23 PM

I’ve done a fair bit of research and have narrowed my search to a hybrid style saw with a mobile base (I only a 250 sqft shop). I hope to upgrade to a cabinet style saw in a few years when I have a larger work space.
- Tim_Hatmenn

You do realize that there is basically no difference in footprint or mobility between the two, right?

Cheers,
Brad

PS: Lowes is still selling the 36-725 for just under $600

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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Tim_Hatmenn

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#3 posted 01-05-2017 07:05 PM


You do realize that there is basically no difference in footprint or mobility between the two, right?

Cheers,
Brad

PS: Lowes is still selling the 36-725 for just under $600

- MrUnix

Yeah I meant I was looking at both these saws because they were easily movable vs. a heavier cabinet saw. I looked on Lowe’s website some more and found it. The specific Lowe’s store I was looking at showed it being unavailable

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#4 posted 01-05-2017 08:23 PM

I’d consider the new Grizzly G0771Z – $775 (+$109 s/h). Offers a good fence, solid cast iron wings, cabinet mounted trunnions, riving knife, and a full enclosure. The G0771 has a lesser fence but fits budget better $695+s/h).

It’s getting harder to trust the Ridgid or the Delta these days. The Delta has a better fence, but the reviews are hit or miss if you believe them. The R4512 had a long history of alignment issues, but it’s been a while since I’ve read of a new one. It’s a pessimistic approach, but who’s return policy is better?

p.s. It’s not hard to move a 500# cabinet saw around the shop if it’s on a mobile base.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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KelleyCrafts

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#5 posted 01-05-2017 10:04 PM

For dust collection purposes I propose a closed bottom. Wether it be a hybrid or cabinet saw. Cabinet saw being the best choice. I have a much bigger than average cabinet saw weighing in at about 900 pounds and I push it around on its base no problem. Don’t let that be the deciding factor. Let dust collection be the deciding factor. You can make any old table saw safer with splitters, guards, push sticks, etc but a contractor saw will never be a good dust collector which is a silent killer in a shop I guarantee you. Even if you don’t have a real D.C. Someday you will.

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#6 posted 01-06-2017 04:36 AM

I just went through this too. I considered a new Delta 36-725 after reading a bunch of reviews. I feel I lucked out after finding on local that seems lightly used for 400. I like it so far though I have my complaints. The stops can be adjusted but don’t stop the tilt they just make it feel harder to turn and it doesn’t really have definitive spot on that…so basically useless… now I haven’t played with it much or climbed under or turned it over to check them….

My saw came with several extra blades. I’ll probably have them sharpened or figure out how, but the blade on it cut pretty good. I’m building a sled now. Overall I am happy so far. If I stick with it I may upgrade in a while….I have kids that are interested so a new sawstop is appealing to me though pricey.

-- Jason

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Tim_Hatmenn

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#7 posted 01-07-2017 02:56 AM



I just went through this too. I considered a new Delta 36-725 after reading a bunch of reviews. I feel I lucked out after finding on local that seems lightly used for 400. I like it so far though I have my complaints. The stops can be adjusted but don t stop the tilt they just make it feel harder to turn and it doesn t really have definitive spot on that…so basically useless… now I haven t played with it much or climbed under or turned it over to check them….

My saw came with several extra blades. I ll probably have them sharpened or figure out how, but the blade on it cut pretty good. I m building a sled now. Overall I am happy so far. If I stick with it I may upgrade in a while….I have kids that are interested so a new sawstop is appealing to me though pricey.

- Jason Lester

Thanks Jason. I went to Lowe’s tonight to look at the Delta. Its the only store in my area that has one in stock. I took an angle square in with me so I could check the fence distance relative to the miter slots on the display model. I found the fence locked square sometimes and other times it was about 1/16” off. I’m hoping this is because the display model wasn’t assembled carefully. Any thoughts?

-Thomas

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DirtyMike

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#8 posted 01-07-2017 03:00 AM

Thanks Jason. I went to Lowe s tonight to look at the Delta. Its the only store in my area that has one in stock. I took an angle square in with me so I could check the fence distance relative to the miter slots on the display model. I found the fence locked square sometimes and other times it was about 1/16” off. I m hoping this is because the display model wasn t assembled carefully. Any thoughts?

-Thomas

- Tim_Hatmenn

All of them I have ever seen at lowes were setup terribly.

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BulldogLouisiana

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#9 posted 01-07-2017 03:07 AM

I think the Grizzly G0771 is the clear winner in your price range. I am not a fan of Grizzly, but I wish I hadn’t bought my R4512 and had gotten it instead. And I got a good 4512.

-- There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

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Gaffneylumber

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#10 posted 01-07-2017 04:00 AM

I’m sure whoever put it together at Lowes could care less about setting that saw up properly. I do not have a 36-735 but I do own the T3 fence that it comes with. My fence locks down tight and consistent.

-- Grayson - South Carolina

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devann

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#11 posted 01-07-2017 06:12 AM

Something important to consider when making a table saw purchase for shop use. I’m not referring to the portable table saws (job site saws) here. You can purchase a contractor saw that is belt drive. Purchasing a table saw that uses a belt drive from motor to blade is going to be cheaper in the long run.

For my 2¢ I wouldn’t even consider purchasing another table saw for my shop that is some form of a direct drive from motor to blade. I had the Delta you’re looking at many years ago (20?) when it cost around $450-$500. Eventually the motor will wear out.

Generally the replacement cost for such saws is almost as much as the full purchase price of the saw. That $500 Delta I had, when the motor wore out, the replacement cost for a new motor was around +$480. Lesson learned.

You’ll have to pay more for a belt drive initially but you’ll have more saw, a lot more saw that you’ll use for years to come. You don’t have to start out with the big motor and the link belt, you can upgrade over time.

That said, if you’re on a budget, you may want to consider a quality used saw. That was the route I took. My shop saw is going on 55 years old. I don’t know how many motors have been on it. I had to do some minor part replacement (switch), cleaning, adjustment. I upgraded the belt. My shop table saw is looking like it’s going to outlive me and move on to another shop, another user someday.

-- Darrell, making more sawdust than I know what to do with

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HorizontalMike

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#12 posted 01-07-2017 01:22 PM

+10 on Knotscott’s choice of Grizzly G0771Z – $775 (+$109 s/h).

ALSO add to your list a Harbor Freight Dust Collector $199.99 A shop vac will not cut it when using a TS, jointer, bandsaw, or other larger pieces of equipment. A shop vac on a mitersaw is ok, but it just does not have the capacity to work on bigger things. You can always upgrade the filter later on as $$$ come in.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#13 posted 01-07-2017 04:42 PM

I liked the G0771z a lot more a week ago when it was $100 cheaper.

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knotscott

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#14 posted 01-07-2017 09:07 PM


I liked the G0771z a lot more a week ago when it was $100 cheaper.

- Rob_s

Me too, but that was an introductory price.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Rob_s

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#15 posted 01-08-2017 05:02 PM


I liked the G0771z a lot more a week ago when it was $100 cheaper.

- Rob_s

Me too, but that was an introductory price.

- knotscott

Which also brings up the fact that they don’t even appear to be shipping them yet…

I’m tempted to buy the old model and get an Incra to void the issues with the old fence.

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