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01-04-2017 08:56 PM

Topic tags/keywords: table saw shopsmith ring master segmented bowls

MY old Craftsman Table saw has finally giving up the ghost, and I’m looking for a replacement. I don’t really rip large pieces of wood any more I use it mostly for sizing wood for glue-ups of segmented bowl and RingMaster blanks. I could get another used Craftsman cast iron table, but I’d like to upgrade to something nicer, with a more accurate miter slot so I could use an incra hd , segeasy or a miterset to make blanks faster/more accurately. My budget is about 450.
I will say i’ve been temped to pick up a Shopsmith. I’ve heard that they have some limitations as a table saw tilting table verses tilting blade and difficulty setting depth of cut by raising and lowering table.

What do you guys all recommend.
Thanks for the suggestions!
-Chris

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#1 posted 01-04-2017 09:01 PM

What is wrong with the C-man? In most cases, it’s cheaper to just fix them than to buy a new machine. I don’t know how many machines I’ve run across that the owner claimed was dead and selling just for the price of scrap metal as a ‘parts’ machine. Only to find that it is some stupid simple fix to get it running.

Cheers,
Brad

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#2 posted 01-04-2017 10:18 PM

the motor was on fire and the miter slots are pretty worn out, super sloppy. I can replace the motor, but getting the slots trued would be a PITA. so i figured it might be time to move on up

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#3 posted 01-04-2017 10:52 PM

I don’t have advice on replacing the motor since that is often the most expensive part to replace on a table saw but if the slots are still parallel and are not too worn in one part of the slot compared to the rest of the slot, making your own sleds can reduce or even eliminate the slop in the miter slots. If you are trying to make precision cuts, a sled is the way to go anyway and for making segmented bowls, a wedgie sled appears to be one of the easiest ways to get precise angles. As long as the blade is tuned so that it is parallel to your slot a sled will make a huge difference.

As to your original question about what to buy to replace your current saw, with a $450 budget, you should look at Craig’s List to find a good saw in your price range. Be patient and research each saw you see so that you are aware of potential problems before you go to check it out.

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#4 posted 01-05-2017 04:13 PM

right now the leader is a used Grizzly tsc 10 l

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#5 posted 01-05-2017 04:44 PM

Sorry to hear about your saw. I have an old Jet contractor saw (JWTS-10JF) that has worked well for me for the past 20 years—if you find one of them you might consider it. I checked the Craigslist in North Jersey and found these saws—I know nothing about them, but I hope this helps you.

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5944093622.html
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5917033604.html
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5941669457.html
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5901374478.html

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#6 posted 01-05-2017 04:53 PM

Thanks i saw most of those. i was looking at that upgraded rigid with the wixey readout, but everything on that listing was “a la carte” found the tsc on CL too. gonna take a look soon if we don’t get hit to bad with snow.

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#7 posted 01-06-2017 02:33 PM

Hello Friend. Please let me begin by mentioning what you will probably hear over and over again, but here goes. Shopsmith new or used does a lot of jobs with the proper attachments…none are done accurately enough to satisfy ANY craftsman. The best advice is to watch Craigslist and place an item wanted in that category with Craigslist. Also look at e-bay for sales of used power tools in your vicinity. The Grizzly you show in the photo may be a great option if the motor is solid and bearings are good. Have you heard of the “nickel” test for a table saw ? Stand a nickel up on its edge on the cast iron section of the table (with fence between the blade and the nickel). Now start up the saw and let it run for a minute then turn it off and let the blade come to a complete stop,( all the while watching your nickel). If the nickel is still standing on edge and hasn’t danced or fallen over…the saw is level and no apparent bearing wear is causing enough vibration to be an immediate problem. (of course the saw should be checked for level to make the test fair). Good luck & I hope you find a used saw within your budget.
goodon’ya….... don s.

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#8 posted 01-06-2017 03:32 PM


Sorry to hear about your saw. I have an old Jet contractor saw (JWTS-10JF) that has worked well for me for the past 20 years—if you find one of them you might consider it. I checked the Craigslist in North Jersey and found these saws—I know nothing about them, but I hope this helps you.

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5944093622.html
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5917033604.html
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5941669457.html
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5901374478.html

- Bill_Steele

I’d opt for one of the two Ridgids or that newer Grizzly G0576 with the solid cast wings and the Shop Fox Aluma Classic fence over the older G1022 you showed. The G0576 was a pretty nice contractor saw….an offer of $375 wouldn’t be out of line. All three have a better fence than the older Griz. How much is the G1022?

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#9 posted 01-06-2017 04:36 PM

they are asking 350 for the tsc 10 that picture isn’t the actual saw being sold just a stock one. I’m going to see the saw this weekend .

The i look forward to the nickel test .

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#10 posted 01-06-2017 04:57 PM


Shopsmith new or used does a lot of jobs with the proper attachments…none are done accurately enough to satisfy ANY craftsman.

- Porchfish

Sorry but I have to disagree ….. strongly.

ShopSmith tools are as good as the person operating them. I have a shop full of high quality stand alone tools back home in Canada and a ShopSmith with all the accessories in my little winter shop here in Az. There is virtually nothing I can do better there than here.

BTW Chris, you can get a Miterset to fit the SS miter slot too.

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#11 posted 01-06-2017 05:29 PM


Shopsmith new or used does a lot of jobs with the proper attachments…none are done accurately enough to satisfy ANY craftsman.

- Porchfish

Sorry but I have to disagree ….. strongly.

ShopSmith tools are as good as the person operating them. I have a shop full of high quality stand alone tools back home in Canada and a ShopSmith with all the accessories in my little winter shop here in Az. There is virtually nothing I can do better there than here.

BTW Chris, you can get a Miterset to fit the SS miter slot too.

- shipwright


Does the ShopSmith have standard Miter slots?

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#12 posted 01-06-2017 05:52 PM


they are asking 350 for the tsc 10 that picture isn t the actual saw being sold just a stock one. I m going to see the saw this weekend .

The i look forward to the nickel test .

- XquietflyX

Honestly, that saw would be a no go at $350….especially with some of the other choices that have been discussed. Even at half that price I’d hesitate, and would hope for better options. The fence is pretty weak for used saw at that price, the webbed wings have little appeal to me compared to solid cast, it’s pre-riving knife and right tilt. It’s pretty much the same saw as several other Mao Shan Taiwanese contractor saws of the 80’s and 90’s. That Ridgid 3650 at $350 and the G0576 for $475 have much more appeal. You’re call, but wanted to weigh in.

This Delta is the saw that the Mao Shan copy is based on, but was made in the USA. Similar fence design, and is $250. https://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5891840250.html

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#13 posted 01-06-2017 09:21 PM

ShopSmith miter slot is .719” but the miterset is available for it.
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/specials/7DU973.htm?jn=49237&kt=MKT&kr=0007908439&cnum=0007908439&epn=SYYSQPW

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#14 posted 01-06-2017 09:47 PM


they are asking 350 for the tsc 10 that picture isn t the actual saw being sold just a stock one. I m going to see the saw this weekend .

The i look forward to the nickel test .

- XquietflyX

Honestly, that saw would be a no go at $350….especially with some of the other choices that have been discussed. Even at half that price I d hesitate, and would hope for better options. The fence is pretty weak for used saw at that price, the webbed wings have little appeal to me compared to solid cast, it s pre-riving knife and right tilt. It s pretty much the same saw as several other Mao Shan Taiwanese contractor saws of the 80 s and 90 s. That Ridgid 3650 at $350 and the G0576 for $475 have much more appeal. You re call, but wanted to weigh in.

This Delta is the saw that the Mao Shan copy is based on, but was made in the USA. Similar fence design, and is $250. https://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5891840250.html

- knotscott


This is exactly the type of input i wanted. thank you guys!!!

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#15 posted 01-06-2017 09:48 PM



ShopSmith miter slot is .719” but the miterset is available for it.
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/specials/7DU973.htm?jn=49237&kt=MKT&kr=0007908439&cnum=0007908439&epn=SYYSQPW

- shipwright

thanks for the link!!!

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