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jtp79

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01-03-2017 03:25 PM

Hey guys. Can anybody tell me what model you think this is? The color doesn’t look like the powermatics I have seen but it’s listed as one and this is the only pic.

I’ve been looking at the grizzly 1023 and 690 series. Am I better off with a used powermatic than a new grizzly? Thanks in advance.


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Bill White

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#1 posted 01-03-2017 03:29 PM

Color scheme looks like a Jet to me.
Bill

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jtp79

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#2 posted 01-03-2017 04:54 PM

I agree it looks like a jet and I still havent heard back from that guy that listed it. Either way would something like this be better than a grizzly? In the listing he said he gave over 2700 for it.

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#3 posted 01-03-2017 05:16 PM

It does not matter how much he gave for it, what matters how much he asks. If there are no obvious problems with the machine I would offer $600 most. My experience however was that sellers often ask as much or more than a new machine.
I’ve heard that commercial shops complained that their Grizzlys lasted 10 years while more expensive machines like Delta or PM much longer. It is under 8 hours a day constant heavy abuse. But if you are getting it for a hobby there is very little practical advantage of PM over Grizzly. For the commercial it is a toss.

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jtp79

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#4 posted 01-03-2017 05:23 PM


It does not matter how much he gave for it, what matters how much he asks. If there are no obvious problems with the machine I would offer $600 most. My experience however was that sellers often ask as much or more than a new machine.
I ve heard that commercial shops complained that their Grizzlys lasted 10 years while more expensive machines like Delta or PM much longer. It is under 8 hours a day constant heavy abuse. But if you are getting it for a hobby there is very little practical advantage of PM over Grizzly. For the commercial it is a toss.
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- Carloz

This is by far the cheapest one I have seen of this caliber but its still quite a bit more than 600. Prices in your part of the country must be alot different than here. And I know the asking price is all that matters but I was just stating what was said

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MrUnix

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#5 posted 01-03-2017 05:35 PM

Unless the guy went to the trouble of painting it to look like a Jet, it does appear to be a Jet…

Maybe a case of OWWM rule #1: The seller, standing in front of the machine with access to all sides and in full daylight, will not/cannot describe the machine correctly.

Either that or he took/posted the wrong picture. It’s also a right tilt if that matters to you.
And IMO, yes, you are better off finding a nice used American made Powermatic (or Unisaw). For what you are apparently looking at spending, they can be found frequently. Perhaps let people know where you are and you might get a few leads on one.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#6 posted 01-03-2017 09:34 PM

It’s definitely a Jet, not a PM, and it’s right tilt, probably making it pre-riving knife. There’s likely no warranty either. None of those are show stoppers if the price is right. Not sure where the $2700 price tag came from…seems really high….as in more than a new one with riving knife and warranty. Are there a lot of other items and features included that we don’t know about? (routers, 5hp, dado set, blades, highend miter gauge, etc?) Without knowing more details, my reaction from a glance of that pic would be to walk if it’s much over $850. If they want a lot more, then one of the Griz cabinet saws would have more appeal to me. It all boils down to price, what’s included, your preferences, and what else is around in the same price range.

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jtp79

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#7 posted 01-03-2017 09:42 PM


It s definitely a Jet, not a PM, and it s right tilt, probably making it pre-riving knife. There s likely no warranty either. None of those are show stoppers if the price is right. Not sure where the $2700 price tag came from…are there a lot of other items and features included that we don t know about? (router, 5hp, dado, highend miter, etc?) Without knowing more details, my reaction from a glance of that pic would be to walk if it s much over $850. If they want a lot more, then one of the Griz cabinet saws would have more appeal to me. It all boils down to price, what s included, your preferences, and what else is around in the same price range.

- knotscott

it is listed for 950. He has finally returned my text messages but it seems kind of odd. 3 hp single phase. I understand the difference in right tilt and left but what does that effect as far as making cuts? Are their something easier cut with the left tilt than the right tilt?

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Carloz

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#8 posted 01-03-2017 09:43 PM



It s definitely a Jet, not a PM, and it s right tilt, probably making it pre-riving knife. There s likely no warranty either. None of those are show stoppers if the price is right. If it s much over $800, I d wouldn t bother. If they want more, then one of the Griz cabinet saws would have more appeal to me. It all boils down to price, what s included, your preferences, and what else is around in the same price range.

- knotscott


Funny thing once I saw a very similar Jet in my local craigslist and specifically asked the guy whether the saw has the riving knife. He assured me it did.
So I drove there, 30 min driving distance only to find out there was no riving knife. The seller with very composed facial expression of a superior being told me he thought I do not understand what the riving knife was.

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knotscott

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#9 posted 01-03-2017 09:47 PM


it is listed for 950. He has finally returned my text messages but it seems kind of odd.

- jtp79

Still seems a bit high to me, but that price isn’t nuts. We really don’t know alot about it. It does appear to have a Biesemeyer fence, not the Xacta II, but that won’t change the price much. What else is included….that outfeed table, router fence, etc?

Right tilt, left tilt is a matter of preference. No real difference til you bevel the blade, then it’s a matter of safety, and even that can be compensated for. I like left tilt because the arbor nut goes on from the right and has standard thread orientation.

Does this saw even include the stock splitter and blade guard?

Which to get is really your call. At $850, I might be interested…..$750 would be better yet.

For $1400, a new Griz has a warranty and a riving knife, and is left tilt. Quality wise, some prefer Jet, but it’s close enough to be considered a Ford/Chevy argument IMO. Does the saw suit your needs? What does that price difference mean to you? Which do you like better? Which are you most comfortable with?

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jtp79

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#10 posted 01-03-2017 10:04 PM


it is listed for 950. He has finally returned my text messages but it seems kind of odd.

- jtp79

Still seems a bit high to me, but that price isn t nuts. We really don t know alot about it. It does appear to have a Biesemeyer fence, not the Xacta II, but that won t change the price much. What else is included….that outfeed table, router fence, etc?

Right tilt, left tilt is a matter of preference. No real difference til you bevel the blade, then it s a matter of safety, and even that can be compensated for. I like left tilt because the arbor nut goes on from the right and has standard thread orientation.

Does this saw even include the stock splitter and blade guard?

Which to get is really your call. At $850, I might be interested…..$750 would be better yet.

For $1400, a new Griz has a warranty and a riving knife, and is left tilt. Quality wise, some prefer Jet, but it s close enough to be considered a Ford/Chevy argument IMO. Does the saw suit your needs? What does that price difference mean to you? Which do you like better? Which are you most comfortable with?

- knotscott

Im still using a little craftsman bench top so im not sure exactly what I do need. Im sure any of them would probably do the job. I looked at the contractor style saws until I heard all of the blade alignment issues. Yes everything in the picture comes with it as far as tables and things. It kind of looks like a router extension on the right table. i have asked about it and it includes a mobile stand.

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knotscott

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#11 posted 01-03-2017 10:15 PM


it is listed for 950. He has finally returned my text messages but it seems kind of odd.

- jtp79

Still seems a bit high to me, but that price isn t nuts. We really don t know alot about it. It does appear to have a Biesemeyer fence, not the Xacta II, but that won t change the price much. What else is included….that outfeed table, router fence, etc?

Right tilt, left tilt is a matter of preference. No real difference til you bevel the blade, then it s a matter of safety, and even that can be compensated for. I like left tilt because the arbor nut goes on from the right and has standard thread orientation.

Does this saw even include the stock splitter and blade guard?

Which to get is really your call. At $850, I might be interested…..$750 would be better yet.

For $1400, a new Griz has a warranty and a riving knife, and is left tilt. Quality wise, some prefer Jet, but it s close enough to be considered a Ford/Chevy argument IMO. Does the saw suit your needs? What does that price difference mean to you? Which do you like better? Which are you most comfortable with?

- knotscott

Im still using a little craftsman bench top so im not sure exactly what I do need. Im sure any of them would probably do the job. I looked at the contractor style saws until I heard all of the blade alignment issues. Yes everything in the picture comes with it as far as tables and things. It kind of looks like a router extension on the right table. i have asked about it and it includes a mobile stand.

- jtp79

There’s little question that any of the cast iron saws (contractor, hybrid, and cabinet saw) are likely to cut circles around what you’ve got….especially the 3hp saws. The Jet or either Griz 1023 or 0690 should be great for you…the difference between them are really minor in comparison. The real factors to consider are whether or not a true riving knife vs a splitter matters to you, if you can deal with right tilt vs left, and whether the lack of warranty are worth saving $350-$500 over? The Jet is a great saw if it’s running up to snuff.

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knotscott

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#12 posted 01-03-2017 10:21 PM

Just to give you a glimpse under the hood of each so you get a better idea of the differences underneath:

Here’s a Jet Xacta of about the same era as the on CL – right tilt:

new G0690 – left tilt:

Old G1023SL – left tilt:

new G1023RL- left tilt:

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Evans_Woodcrafts

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#13 posted 01-04-2017 12:46 PM

I just sold my Jet 3hp, pre-riving knife, right tilit, 52” fence for $1200 and had a line of people wanting it. It was in great condition. Im surprised by some of the comments regarding the quality of this saw, I thought it was a very solid saw and treated me very well.

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#14 posted 01-04-2017 03:42 PM

I would consider that saw a great choice in that price range. $800-1000 would be a very fair price around here.

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