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Forum topic by GR8HUNTER posted 12-28-2016 05:03 PM 961 views 0 times favorited 24 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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GR8HUNTER

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12-28-2016 05:03 PM

hello all jocks …..a question for smart guys then me ….. I own a 20 gal. shop vac ….I also have an AP-400 (delta shopmaster) I AM wondering about getting better dust collection …I was looking at dust deputy …wondering if I could make one ? is there anything in the funnel has any1 ever made one ?? any help would be greatly appreciated ….....thank for all reply’s ….. oh didn’t want to spend a fortune LOL

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lew

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#1 posted 12-28-2016 05:27 PM

Here’s a couple of ideas. I made something like the first one.

http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f32/forget-dust-deputy-27235/

http://www.instructables.com/id/Dust-Cyclone-made-from-a-Traffic-Cone/

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#2 posted 12-28-2016 05:55 PM

I had one (or one of it’s competitors) in the shop and it worked great. The funnel and 50 gal aluminum trash can were in the shop. The vacuum system was in the crawl space and enabled with a remote in the shop. The only reason why I used “past” tense is not due to operational problems with the unit itself but more so in “legal custody” of the vac system. The system worked great.

I do miss the dust collection system but not enough right now to make that a time/energy/money commitment to replacing it just yet. I’d be interested to see what you get and build and what others have so I can have info to do the same when that priority makes it up to a higher position on my priority list.

I would be fun; however, it add “Alexa, Amazon Echo Dot” for voice control as an upgrade to pushing a button to enable the system on ;P

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#3 posted 12-28-2016 05:59 PM



Here s a couple of ideas. I made something like the first one.

http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f32/forget-dust-deputy-27235/

http://www.instructables.com/id/Dust-Cyclone-made-from-a-Traffic-Cone/

- lew

The traffic cone is both geometrically accurate but also hilarious!

-- Courageous convictions will drag the dream into existence. - Rush, Vital Signs

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UpstateNYdude

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#4 posted 12-28-2016 06:06 PM

I’m just curious why you don’t just buy the cyclone portion, its a hell of a lot less time consuming and has already been engineered to work. It’s $50 shipped on Amazon and I’d probably waste double that amount trying to make one that would work half as good, but if your in it for the adventure of trying to see if its possible to build I get it.

-- Nick, “I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it.” – Vincent Van Gogh

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#5 posted 12-28-2016 06:38 PM


hello all jocks …..a question for smart guys then me …..

- GR8HUNTER

Although this question isn’t for me I give it a try.

I AM wondering about getting better dust collection …I was looking at dust deputy …wondering if I could make one ? is there anything in the funnel
- GR8HUNTER

Tony what is more important? The better dust collection or the dust deputy in combination with your shop vac. The reason I’m asking is this becsuase making your own dust collector is maybe also possible?

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#6 posted 12-28-2016 06:41 PM

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#7 posted 12-28-2016 08:35 PM

From my very little knowledge and understanding on dust collection, it all depends upon the volume of air you can move away from the the tool or machine, so that’s something 6” of 8” ducting on a 3hp dust collector machine. I only have a 1hp cyclonic unit on a 44gal drum with 4” ducting and often it’s not as effective as I’d like.

Tony, if you do a search on the Australian Woodwork Forums there are some good setups plus very helpful information plus some pedantic technical information…

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#8 posted 12-28-2016 10:02 PM

well dutchy ….I seem to be looking for much better dust collecting …especially while running the sanders 8” disc/belt and also at the spindle sander …right now I’m just hooking up to shop vac well works great but in about an hour filter is clogged … I use my ap-400 on my planer and jointer that works pretty well ….both sanders have a hook up for a shop vac almost would like to have a whole unit I simply can move around my small shop

-- Tony Reinholds,Pa. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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#9 posted 12-28-2016 10:55 PM

It seems to me that the Dust Deputy is pretty cheap and pretty effective.

Wether you can do better with DIY depends on how much you value your time.

When the time comes for me to worry about dust collection, it will be on my short list.

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#10 posted 12-28-2016 11:00 PM

So, you get WORSE dust collection adding any form of separator. The separator adds “insertion loss”, suction goes down, which means less dust is picked up at the tool and more gets in the air. The AP-400 is woefully underpowered, and no shop vac can clear dust from a larger tool, although they can be effective with well designed smaller tools like sanders.

What the separator does is take more chips and heavier material out of the airstream before it gets into the filter. What that does is lengthen the time it takes before you need to clean the filter. It’s a convenience item, not an improvement in the ability to collect dust. It does improve separation. So if you are always wearing your respirator, then a better separator will indeed lengthen the time between filter cleaning. If you aren’t wearing your respirator while you use your tools, then I’d suggest not spending any money on separators, but instead save up for a 3 HP dust collector.

You can use a real DC on your spindle sander and disc/belt sander, but you may have to have a blast gate on an open Wye that you can use to modulate the airflow. It may be that you can get enough airflow on the spindle sander from the AP-400, and even have some suction left over for a separator, but I’d measure first, and even if it did, it won’t have enough suction for your planer and jointer even without a separator

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#11 posted 12-28-2016 11:28 PM

I hate dust. I have an overactive sinus system and hates dust. I also hate noise. I’m already half deaf in one ear. I have a decibel gage on my smartphone and use it whenever I’m about to buy anything that makes noise.

I have had both a sears vacuum and a Delta canister system in my shop. Neither did a great job of collecting sawdust. The Delta was OK, but the bag was a nightmare to empty and the shopvac was incredibly loud.

Now I use Jet 2 stage with a cleanable 2 micron filter and easy to empty bag (outside). It runs just under 80 dbl.

The real challenge is dust collection at the source. My overarm collector on the table saw works pretty good and my Williams & Hussey planer/Molder does a great job. It’s all downhill after that. I try to hook hand tools up to a fesstool collector but if the tool mfg hasn’t made dust collection a priority and thought it through then it feels like any aftermarket effort will be marginal.

michael

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htl

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#12 posted 12-28-2016 11:54 PM

Make your own!
Here’s mine.

Here's my how to.

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.

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GR8HUNTER

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#13 posted 12-28-2016 11:58 PM

OSB …... I have all day to do it so no worries there ….. I’m sure theres is a lot of work to do if you just buy the 45.00 dust deputy so I think I can do something maybe better but my mind is blank ..and the more I look online …the more confused I get LOL :<)

this is the best one I found

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2cwVbNb8gs

-- Tony Reinholds,Pa. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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htl

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#14 posted 12-29-2016 12:05 AM

Gr8Hunter I have the vac in the box to quiet it down.
The vac is a home depot $20 vac you add the bucket..

I’m wanting another vac at the other end of my shop so ordered the dust deputy rip off out of China for $26.
It takes a while to get it but should be here in a couple a days.

It was kinda hide but here's the blog of my cyclone build.

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.

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#15 posted 12-29-2016 11:34 PM

I just spent some time looking at Chinese cyclone dust collectors.

A few of them are joining the Dust Deputy on my short list.

If you don’t mind the wait, I think you would have to use free materials for DIY to beat them on price.

There was one in-between size bigger than the Dust Deputy but smaller than the Super Dust Deputy which might help for tools that create more dust than the smaller version with a shop vac can handle.

I also read a post about using commercial truck filters instead of dust collector specific cartridge filters. If I can combine a Chinese cyclone, a truck filter and a Craigslist dust collector, I might be able to put together a pretty good two stage cyclonic with decent fine dust collection for not very much money.

As far as insertion loss goes, there is some but I’ll take it compared to no insertion loss and a clogged filter.

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