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12-27-2016 06:32 PM

I already have a kitchen island in my house. It is a table high/table long wall trimmed with sheetrock. Several kitchen cabinets are attached to that wall and you have an “island”. I plan to replace it.
The thing is that all water and electric connections are in that wall, so I plan to remove the cabinets and build a real island around the wall. Can you kindly look at the design and see something obviously wrong with it.
The wood marked brown is hard maple. Yellow – pine. The dividers and floors are marine plywood. The right side of the island will host a sink, the center left dishwasher so I want to use something more/less moisture resistant.


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#1 posted 12-27-2016 06:50 PM

I would build that as 2 base cabinets, tie the two together between the 2 cabinets where the dishwasher goes with a frame between them on top connecting them together, The frame also gives you a place to anchor your dishwasher. On the front top of the support frame I would put a front face frame. It will also help support the top.

I would then close in everything with the architectural panels like your drawing shows.

-- Bruce Free Plans http://plans.sawmillvalley.org

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#2 posted 12-27-2016 07:27 PM

Thanks bruc. So are you suggesting that the panels are just for decorative purposes ? I designed them to be the bearing elements.

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#3 posted 12-27-2016 07:28 PM

Sucks!

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#4 posted 12-27-2016 10:01 PM


Thanks bruc. So are you suggesting that the panels are just for decorative purposes ? I designed them to be the bearing elements.

- Carloz


They can be a lot of strength for the island and that’s how we use them some of the time. A lot of times though they are nothing but closure panels on islands wider than the normal 24 inch base. If the island is going to be the standard 24” wide then we use the architectural panels on the ends instead of plywood and just make a panel to close in the back such as the picture I enclosed.

You’ll have 2 base cabinets, say 24” deep. Make architectural panels for the ends that show. Set the cabinets up at the length you want the island and measure to make the rear panel then.

The island you see in the picture has 2 base cabinets 24 inches deep. What you’re seeing on the end, the architectural panels are mortised in the face frame to make the actual side of the cabinet.

The island in the picture has warming ovens in the middle of it. Basically the same set up if it was a dishwasher.

My daughters are building a 14 foot by 32 inch island in the big shop now. It’s actually 8 base cabinets that will be put together in the home and closed in with architectural panels. So, it’ll look just like one huge cabinet in the kitchen when they get the panels on it.

Because we mortise and tenon our face frames to the boxes, we always build the face frames first, then take the measurements off the face frame mortises to get the width of the cabinet boxes.

What will be the width of your island?

I’ve enclosed you a link to download a set of base cabinet drawings with dimensions. You’ll see the strength is in the cabinet so making a rear closure panel is nothing more than something pretty on the island.

Base Cabinet Plans

Edit. I just found this picture of what the RS cabinet looks like on that island less the back and upper rear cabinet support and floor being installed. If you notice both sides have closure panels. The reason for that is the lady can roll her warming ovens out and put stools there to sit on when her wealthy pampered friends come for wine, cheese and a card game, and most likely a bs session.

-- Bruce Free Plans http://plans.sawmillvalley.org

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#5 posted 12-28-2016 06:51 PM

Thanks again. This is very informative. However i cannot buld separate cabinets as I there is a wall in the middle. I want to make the new island 36” wide, currently it is 24” so the wall messes up such arrangement.

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#6 posted 12-29-2016 03:44 AM

We’ve done what you want more than one time. All you have to do is build the set of cabinets facing the kitchen making your cabinets flush with the outside of the transit wall, you have to remove all the base mldgs.

You can go ahead and build the two new cabinets and install them. Frame in the outside of the transit wall to give you the width you want less the width of the front closure panel. Build your side closure panels 36” wide and your front closure panel the length it needs to be. Attach them to the sides of the cabinets and the extension frame and then attach the front closure panel to the extension frame and the end panels.

Build your new base cabinets like the drawing I gave you with plywood panels on both sides of the cabinets using the measurements you need for your cabinets.

Basically all you’re doing is building a studded extension wall around the front of the transit wall and attaching closure panels to it. The frame adds strength to the completed island and gives you something to attach the closure panels and top to. We use 2×4’s to build the extension wall just like a regular wall in a house is done. Top and bottom plates with studs between them. Attach this to the transit wall and you’re good to go.

We’ve also had electricians put electrical outlets in the frame before we installed the closure panels. The same as a studded wall in the house.

-- Bruce Free Plans http://plans.sawmillvalley.org

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#7 posted 12-29-2016 04:15 AM

OK, Thank you very much. You probably saved me some time, material and bad words :-)

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#8 posted 12-29-2016 04:17 AM



OK, Thank you very much. You probably saved me some time, material and bad words :-)

- Carloz

lol I would be more worried about my wife than anything else.

-- Bruce Free Plans http://plans.sawmillvalley.org

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