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Forum topic by Delta356 posted 08-11-2010 02:36 AM 4945 views 0 times favorited 85 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Delta356

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08-11-2010 02:36 AM

Ok well I propose this question, because I really don’t fell Saw Stops technology its that great. Don’t get me wrong it’s amazing they developed a table saw that saves a finger. Well I have had experience with Saw Stops contractor saw at my school for our Theater Design class. I’m the main guy that uses the saw but not the one who teaches how to use the saw. Anyways the saw really does not match up to my Delta. One of the problems I had with it is that I bogged the saw down a bit because of dual blade . I mean after I bogged it down a bit (Which I don’t like doing to motors ) the dummmm computer in the saw turned the saw off. What’s up with that. Another case I had was a parent was using it a one of our work party’s and he had bound the wood against the fence, and it triggered the SAW STOP and being a school we could not replace the blade and break without clearance from the school board!!!!!! Again what’s up with that. What I got a real laugh at was they have a bypass key when you are cutting wet wood… Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of the system. IS SAW STOP really worth that much money??
What do woodworkers starting do if we want that SAFETY??
IS the saw I used just messed up or?????

ONE VALID POINT WE ALL HAVE TO LOOK AT IS , SAW STOP IS NEW TECHNOLOGY, AND ALWAYS IN NEW TECHNOLOGY THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PROBLEMS.

I wrote this to share my opinion and I want to here your guy’s opinion on this subject…

Thanks, Michael Frey
Portland, OR

FREY WOODWORKING INC.


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richgreer

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#1 posted 08-11-2010 02:44 AM

I have very mixed feelings about Saw Stop. I admire their technology but I resent how they have positioned themselves in the market.

I have a friend with a Saw Stop. He had a voltage fluctuation at his shop and it tripped the safety mechanism. It cost him over $70 to replace the clutch mechanism and, in addition, the blade was ruined. So, in addition to paying the premium price, he is also liable for additional cost whenever a voltage fluctuation messes with his saw.

Yes, it improves safety but the most important safety element is the person running the saw. I still have all my fingers and I plan to keep them. For me, the way to do that is to always follow proper safety procedures.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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Delta356

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#2 posted 08-11-2010 02:48 AM

i also said to myself if the break is tripped not because of a finger and you have 100 dollar blade in the saw, that blade is ruined….????

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#3 posted 08-11-2010 02:52 AM

I believe a sliding tablesaw or vertical panel saw is safer than a sawstop. A sawstop gives one a false sense of security which can cause the operator to become lazy with other tools in the shop. A slider allows one to use clamps that secure the piece in place and pass it through the saw without having ones hands near the blade. Of course this is not allows possible. But, the less time near a moving blade is much better and safer. I will always respect a tool with a blade or blades spinning. Are we to install Sawstop technology on all power tools? That is impractical. Why not on a bandsaw, shaper, or router? I am sure some safety nut will pass legislation demanding this in the future. At that point, I will sell all of my tools and live out my remaining years on a nice beach. How do we protect ourselves from a sharp chisel or knife? Keep it dull?

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#4 posted 08-11-2010 02:59 AM

I think you can make a number of arguments about the SS. I bought the SS Professional Cabinet Saw. In my mind, the price I paid was pretty close to a Delta unisaw of comparable quality – though in fairness the Delta has a better riving knife ( since it is adjusted from the front ) , and the PCS has much better dust collection, so the price premium for the technology was minimal . While I did buy it for the finger saving technology, if it was other wise pretty crappy, or the price premium was crazy, I would not have bought. I have not had the bogging down problem you have seen, though the PCS has a pretty decent sized motor. While following proper procedures is great in concept Remember IN THEORY THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEORY AND PRACTICE, IN PRACTICE THERE IS ! A number of stories about injured fingers begin with ” it was late” , ” I was tired ” , or ” I wasn’t paying attention” I am smart enough to know that I am not immune to any of those conditions, and for me the safety is well worth the very small premium. I have no fight with anyone who sees it differently.

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Steven H

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#5 posted 08-11-2010 03:00 AM

Has there been reports of someone hands cut off on Sawstop because of computer glitch?

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#6 posted 08-11-2010 03:03 AM

I agree with John Ormsby about that technology giving a person a false sense of security. I’ve been using table saws for over 50 years with no injuries, but I always give my full attention to the task while that blade is spinning. The expense of a ruined $100 blade and a $70 clutch mechanism because of a jam or voltage fluctuation pretty much eliminate the SawStop from any consideration from me. I wonder what all those third world woodworkers must think of us with our ‘nanny state’ lawsuits and regulations? I’ve seen guys in Vietnam and the Philippines who turn out amazing work with what we’d call stone-age equipment.

Of course, that’s just my opinion…I could be wrong.

-- Gene T

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#7 posted 08-11-2010 03:04 AM

How often do you cut wet wood? I don’t think I ever have. So I think that’s a non-issue. I don’t see how you can say making the SawStop merely as safe as a normal saw on rare occasions is a problem.

If you’re bogging down any piece of equipment, you’re using it wrong. I think shutting off the motor when an abnormal load hits is pretty smart. Ans, as far as I know, bogging the motor down will not trigger the brake, something else was going on there.

Voltage fluctuation? If it were that vulnerable, you’d have those suckers popping so often it’s be a huge story. I know I’ve never heard of it, I don’t think it’s fair to put a black mark on the product for what’s essentially a freak occurance.

A fellow wedding photographer had his career destroyed when some falling plywood shoved his hand into the blade. That’s when it hit home how incredibly cheap the insurance of a SawStop is. I don’t care how safe you are, it’s called an accident for a reason. 70-80% of my machine use is the tablesaw, I can’t see risking my $100K per year occupation when for $2k I could upgrade to a SawStop that’s gonna bring me many years of added safety.

-- The Wood Nerd -- http://www.workshopaholic.net

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Delta356

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#8 posted 08-11-2010 03:11 AM

(YOUR NOT) USING A TOOL WRONG IF THE MOTOR BOGGS DOWN…
Motors are designed to do that.

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#9 posted 08-11-2010 03:18 AM

”Another case I had was a parent was using it a one of our work party’s and he had bound the wood against the fence, and it triggered the SAW STOP”

Sounds to me like the Saw Stop saved some part of this guys body. You and the school board should have breathed a sign of relief unstead of being mad at the saw. Wood just does’t get bound against the fence unless something is going wrong.

-- Joe

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#10 posted 08-11-2010 03:28 AM

I got the PCS because I wasn’t going to risk my young career as a surgeon for my hobby (as much as I love it). If I didn’t have a job that depended on my hands, or if I were retired, I might have thought differently and put the extra money to other tools or wood since, like many point out, my other tools don’t have this technology. But if I can get it on the tablesaw, it didn’t make any sense not to (for me).

I have to say one thing though – having the safety feature certainly does NOT make me any less careful around the saw. I’m always thinking, “what if my saw happens not to fire the brake when it should?”

-- Optimists are usually disappointed. Pessimists are either right or pleasantly surprised. I tend to be a disappointed pessimist.

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Delta356

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#11 posted 08-11-2010 03:29 AM

I’m not mad at the saw, I just felt the technology is not really the best. I know when i wrote that it seemed that we were made at the saw but I was not.

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Glen Simpson

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#12 posted 08-11-2010 04:01 AM

While at a box making class recently I used a SawStop cabinet saw for the first time. It is a nice saw to be sure, but I don’t have the desire to purchase one. I pay attention to where my hands are whenever I use my table saw. I don’t get anywhere near the blade if I can all help it, and if not I use a push stick.

I found it sort of amusing that the little lights on the computer on the front of the saw get angry if you use a square to make sure the blade is set at 90 degrees. I also understand there is a bypass switch if you are cutting wet wood.

-- Glen Making sawdust in Alamo, CA

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#13 posted 08-11-2010 04:01 AM

Been running table saws since 1962. If you bog down the motor, you’re doing it wrong! It doesn’t have anything to do with the motor but how the saw is being operated.

-- Bill - Mesquite, TX --- "Everything with a power cord eventually winds up in the trash.” John Sarge , timber framer and blacksmith instructor at Tillers International school

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ajosephg

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#14 posted 08-11-2010 04:07 AM

It seems to me that the saw is as good as any and better than most from a design/construction/workmanship standpoint.

The safety feature is the best by default, since no other company has an equivalent option.

Having said that, I doubt that I will ever own one, since I expect my present saw to outlast me. But – if I were just starting out and needed a good saw, I’d try to scrape up the cash to get a SS.

-- Joe

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Delta356

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#15 posted 08-11-2010 04:59 AM

I still disagree with you guy’s that say bogging down a motor means your using it wrong….. Ya if you are pushing the wood to fast or have a dual blade. ( A sharp blade will reduce any bogging). (I REALLY NEVER BOG MY MACHINES DOWN.)
Again a motor is designed to do that, not saying it’s good or anything!!!!!!

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