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Napaman

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08-08-2010 06:23 PM

Topic tags/keywords: finish

Good morning LJ’s…

Sarah and I applied a coat of redwood stain to our new trellis/bench and it was amazing to step back and see the contrast with the grey deck in front or the bench and the grey fence behind the trellis…

I would like to put some sort of protectant on top of the stain—-but this is a big area and want to know if there is a “thinner” poly or spar varnish to use…

OR can we thin the poly with anything…FINISHING is a HUGE are of weakness for me…and when I flip through my mags they are always taking this finish and that and making their own concoctions…

My past use of spar varnish and/or poly is that is always thick and sticky and hard to use…which is no big on a small area/projecct but this thing is huge…

Here is a link to the project page BEFORE we put anything on it… ANNIVERSARY TRELLIS/BENCH

ANy suggestions of products or combinations of products would be much appreciated…

Matt

-- Matt--Proud LJ since 2007


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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#1 posted 08-08-2010 06:30 PM

I don’t know if others have had the same results as I’ve had,

but exterior poly doesn’t last very long. It tends to oxidize, & flake.

I’d just go with the stain only. Most exterior stains come with UV protection in it.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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Napaman

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#2 posted 08-08-2010 06:40 PM

even with it on top of the stain? My first adirondack has the same stain…and in some spots its red…but mostly greyed out…which is why i was thinking of spar varnish or poly on top…

-- Matt--Proud LJ since 2007

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#3 posted 08-08-2010 06:43 PM

Yes, even with it on top of the stain.

See what others think?

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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#4 posted 08-08-2010 07:20 PM

The bottom line is this…. keeping an outdoor wood item colored is a chore. I Agree with Dick… If you use just a stain, at least recoating it when it starts to fade is not that big a deal. If you use spar varnish (which is really the only way to go for outdoor element exposure) it’s still going to peel and fade eventually, leaving you with a difficult and tedious refinish job on your hands.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#5 posted 08-08-2010 08:14 PM

I use a product called Penofin. The Marine grade, comes in a light silver and dark blue can, is the best for outdoor use. It will last a long time and does a very good job of retaining color. The older versions used real rosewood oils in the product. I don’t know what the substituted oils are now. However, it still seems do do a good job.

I would NEVER varnish a trellis or pergola. As has been already stated, it will eventually start to peel and trying to refinish it would be impractical.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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Napaman

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#6 posted 08-08-2010 09:27 PM

Well…your suggestions may make my life easier…if we just keep the stain then we are done and ready to plant the vines!

John I will look into the Penofin…

One thought is to JUST use the Penofin on the bench…it would be easy to access for re-finishing down the road…and since the trellis will have vines it wont be possible…

Ok…thanks for the ideas so far…

-- Matt--Proud LJ since 2007

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#7 posted 08-08-2010 09:44 PM

I have to agree with the rest of the posts on finishing an outdoor project. I would just wipe a new coat of stain on once a month and call it good. Once the vines grow on it you won’t want to mess with it much.

-- I don't make mistakes, I have great learning lessons, Greg

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Napaman

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#8 posted 08-08-2010 09:47 PM

Ok…just looked up online dealers…all charged $46.80 a gallon…now I am wishing I put this straight on…remember we already put a stain on…

We used Superdeck (the one with the duck on it) Redwood Transparent Stain and Sealer…

Would it be worth it to put the Penofin over it…the quart sized (if we just covered the bench a quart would be good) cost $19 a quart…

-- Matt--Proud LJ since 2007

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#9 posted 08-09-2010 02:02 AM

I would use a outdoor stain, with UV protection in it.

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#10 posted 08-09-2010 04:43 AM

Find your local Sikkens Dealer and use 3 coats of Cetol 1. Then put on a new topcoat every 3-5 years.

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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#11 posted 08-09-2010 05:53 AM

I think you can find Cetol 1 at this address in Napa:

The Paint Works
3213 Jefferson St.
Napa CA 94558
707-224-0304

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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Napaman

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#12 posted 08-19-2010 04:25 AM

sorry guys that I never asknowledged youhelp and ideas…been slammed with the start of school the last two weeks building up to today—-day one is now in the books…

should get more time after this week…

Here is where we are at on the trellis…did not add any new coats of stain…the stain is finally feeling less sticky…but it is much more red then I wanted (which I knew right away)...leaving me feeling like I dont want to add anything to it…at this poiint…

It does look good…very proud of it…just super red…

matt

-- Matt--Proud LJ since 2007

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