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dhar

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12-12-2016 03:57 PM

Topic tags/keywords: bandsaw grizzly g0555 laguna 14-12

Hi All,

I’ve held back most of year buying any tools and am hoping to make a substantial purchase this holiday season :-).

One item I am looking to replace in my shop is my band saw. I’ve spent quite a bit of time pursuing through the various threads here as well as at Sawmillcreek; yet, I’m still struggling to make a decision.

Thus, I’m soliciting some additional input from fellow forum members.

In regards to budget, I want to proceed with the mentality that I purchase something that is truly worth its value today without hoping to upgrade anytime in the foreseeable future.

Couple points:
• Needs to be 115V – single phase. Can’t do 220V.
• Don’t think I’ll ever need greater than 14”
• Will be happier with a purchase price around $700+/-, but upon receiving recommendations, I’m willing to go up to $1,100.

I understand that is a pretty wide price range (i.e., from $700 up to $1,100). The reason for that is mainly because I want to be able to consider the Laguna 14-12, which seems to have received positive feedback.

What I had in mind was the Grizzly G0555LX. I gather it is a very popular band saw and that too for good reason. It will be a massive upgrade from what I’m currently using. However, I’m curious if owners of the G0555LX (or its variants) purchased the saw mainly because it is the best saw in that price range, and, if additional funds were available at the time of purchase, they would purchase something else. I’m alluding to want Jay Bates (popular on Youtube) reported on his website about the Grizzly. He indicated that the purchase of his Grizzly bandsaw was the best money he spent on any tool in his shop. He later upgraded his saw with the 6” riser. However, he added that, if he was to do it all over again, he would simply just get a larger bandsaw with fixed frame.

One last point that maybe helpful as you make your recommendations is that I consider myself as a beginner woodworker. I’ve built several speakers to date, but no furniture items. I see myself wanting to do more of that now and would like to purchase the right tool to continue this hobby.

All in all, based on my research, I’ve identified the following potential candidates:
• Grizzy G0555LX (or its variants)
• Rikon 10-325
• Laguna 14-12

I’m open to other suggestions.


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brtech

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#1 posted 12-12-2016 04:12 PM

I have the Laguna, and while I considered the G0555LX and riser, I thought investing in the bigger, more stiff frame was a better choice. I wanted to do resaw beyond what the basic Delta clone versions can do, which meant riser block, and it just seemed better to spend the additional dollars to buy a better frame. The other thing to remember is that the Laguna comes with great blade stabilizers, but you really should be upgrading the stock ones that come on the Delta clones at some point. Then there is the fence, the motor and the dust collection issues. I think the Rikon is an excellent saw, but I don’t have any significant experience with it. The 14-12 is a terrific saw. I have only good things to say about their tech support, but others have reported issues.

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Redoak49

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#2 posted 12-12-2016 04:44 PM

I think that the first place to start is to guess what you will be doing with it. You probably will want to resaw but how wide? In my mind, up to 6” is pretty reasonable. If you go wider, you move into a different game.

Some on this forum do a great job at resaw. The rest of us struggle. If you resaw, you also need a planner or something too smooth the resawn face.

I have a 16” bandsaw which I use for resaw. I also do small projects and the big bandsaw was a pain to use the small blades. I caught a 10” Rikon on really good sale and have a 3/16” blade on it.

I would take a minute and day dream about what projects you see yourself doing and use those to make a choice.

Good Luck

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dhar

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#3 posted 12-12-2016 07:08 PM

Redoak,

Truth be told, I don’t really see myself resawing 12” wide lumber anytime in the foreseeable future. However, I am assuming (albeit potentially incorrectly) the more expensive Laguna will be able to do everything the Grizzly does, only better. Compared to the Grizzly G0555 Extreme model, the Laguna offer:

- Slightly larger table (20.5” x 14” vs 21” x 16”)
- More powerful motor: (1.5 vs 1.75)”
- Larger re-saw capacity (6” vs 12”)

However, the Grizzly comes equipped with the work light.

I’m not sure whether if there is a difference between how smooth one saw runs vs the other.

What would be news to me is if the larger saw handles small blades poorly. I wouldn’t want to give up (or even compromise) the ability to work efficiently on smaller projects, which may involve cutting curves using thinner blades, only to gain additional resaw capacity. If the above is definitely a concern re larger saws, then thats certainly helpful to know.

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DocSavage45

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#4 posted 12-12-2016 07:19 PM

Good advice here.

I have the GO555 with a riser block. It has aluminum vs. Cast Iron wheels. I can upgrade the wheels which is good. My saw tensioner is adequate and the guides OK. There is a bigger motor available but it doesn’t fit my saw. (checked this out with grizzly technical support)

As mentioned here it really depends on money and your goals. I thought this would be a good resaw machine. It’s adequate. This is due to the geometry of the bandsaw blade. And the tension on the wheel.

I’d suggest watching Matthius Wendal on YouTube in his wood made bandsaws. he has a tutorial on blades cutting etc.

These are things called hind site. LOL! Be patient and recognize limitations with the money you can spend.

It’s a crap shoot as you can get a lemon no matter what brand? I like grizzly support.

If I could afford it for my purposes I’d get a 17 inch with steel wheels and trunion. And a really big motor. LOL! Oh yeah there is always “where do I put it?”

Hind sight is always better. Good luck!

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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jmartel

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#5 posted 12-12-2016 07:28 PM

My G0555 has cast iron wheels. It’s the Anniversary edition. I also have a riser block. I have no problems resawing 10” wide walnut with <1 /> thickness. All for about $600 total.

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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Davevand

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#6 posted 12-12-2016 07:28 PM

Hi
I have a 14-12 and I really like it, but I only use it for resawing and thicker wood. The narrowest blade the 14-12 can use is 1/4”, but I think they sell guides for use with the smaller blades. I have an older Grizzly 14” bandsaw that I use for the narrow blades. The only change I would make is buying the light and mobile base from a 3rd party and not the Laguna brand, I don’t like either one from Laguna.

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weathersfuori

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#7 posted 12-12-2016 08:18 PM

I’ve got the G0555 Anniversary Edition as well and can say it has been worth every penny to me. I consider myself a beginner or maybe a half step above that level… I’ve used it to resaw lumber (mostly softwoods, haven’t yet needed to try harder woods so can’t comment on its ability to do that), detail work/curves with the lowest blade size it accepts, and general use otherwise.

I will admit I was kinda dead-set on Grizzly for some reason before I bought this and didn’t really research anything else, but that’s because I figured this would be all the band saw I’d ever need given my projects, skill set (factoring in the assumption that I’ll improve my skills over time… though still waiting for that to happen :-)...), and budget. Nearly 2 years later, I don’t give this purchase any second thoughts… and still believe it’s all I’ll ever need. Only regret was not getting the mobile base to go with it at the time to install before full setup… I’ve since gotten one and it was a little hairy getting the saw on there myself. I fretted over whether or not to get a riser block at the time of purchase and decided not to, and not until I made a few band saw boxes did I really feel like I needed one. Might get around to ordering the kit one of these days.

Based on what you’ve said, I think you’d be plenty pleased with the Grizzly, but since I haven’t used/seen the others, I can’t say whether they’d be the same, better or worse.

-- Weathersfuori, Texas, www.facebook.com/f5creations

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dhar

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#8 posted 12-12-2016 08:57 PM

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Perhaps the Grizzly 0555X might be happy-medium between the two saws that I’m considering. It may not have the resaw capacity of the Laguna; however, it does have a similarly sized table and motor.

One question I do have for those that have experience with the Laguna: Does issue of not being able to utilize smaller blades on the Laguna step from its high resaw capacity (12”+), or does it have to do with the wheels/support design. In other words, will the Grizzly, upgraded for 6” riser, suffer from similar issues of no being able to utilize the smaller blades?

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Davevand

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#9 posted 12-12-2016 09:11 PM

No, the ceramic guides on the Laguna are too big for the really narrow blades (1/8 and 3/16). If I didn’t already have a 14” bandsaw and the 3/16 blades, I would just use the 1/4 on the Laguna.

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brtech

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#10 posted 12-12-2016 09:13 PM

AFAIK, it’s just the guides. Do you really think you will use a blade less than 1/4”? I mean, you can use a bandsaw as if it were a scroll saw without the ability to start a cut in a hole, but do you really want to? You can cut a pretty tight curve with a 1/4” blade. The curves say you can cut a 5/8” radius with a 1/4” blade.

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onoitsmatt

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#11 posted 12-12-2016 09:32 PM

You might consider the Rikon 10-325. I like mine a lot. Has a 1.5hp motor, 13” resaw and can be had new in the $700-750 range. I’m not wild about narrow blades with the guide bearings but it resaws really well. FYI, seems like the 10-325 may have a new model number in the last few months.

-- Matt - Phoenix, AZ

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Richard

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#12 posted 12-12-2016 09:32 PM



Redoak,

Truth be told, I don t really see myself resawing 12” wide lumber anytime in the foreseeable future. However, I am assuming (albeit potentially incorrectly) the more expensive Laguna will be able to do everything the Grizzly does, only better. Compared to the Grizzly G0555 Extreme model, the Laguna offer:

- Slightly larger table (20.5” x 14” vs 21” x 16”)
- More powerful motor: (1.5 vs 1.75)”
- Larger re-saw capacity (6” vs 12”)

However, the Grizzly comes equipped with the work light.

I m not sure whether if there is a difference between how smooth one saw runs vs the other.

What would be news to me is if the larger saw handles small blades poorly. I wouldn t want to give up (or even compromise) the ability to work efficiently on smaller projects, which may involve cutting curves using thinner blades, only to gain additional resaw capacity. If the above is definitely a concern re larger saws, then thats certainly helpful to know.

- dhar


I don’t think the Work Light would be of any concern to me as far as the price goes , they are cheap and easy to add on .

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pmayer

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#13 posted 12-12-2016 09:34 PM

I use a 1/8” blade on my Laguna once in a while, but I just leave the side guides wide open and use the rear guides. It works ok that way but you can’t push it too hard on tight turns. If I was going to be pushing the saw a lot with 1/8” blades I’d probably invest in the Carter guide system. Anyone who has seen Alex Snodgrass demonstrate this at a show either owns one or wants one. Unfortunately I’m in the second group.

In terms of resaw capacity, if you are interested in resaw, I wouldn’t suggest stopping at 6” capacity. You can do that on your 10” table saw by flipping the board. I rarely resaw the full 13” that my Laguna saw can handle, but I find that I do 8-10” fairly regularly. A lot of times I end up using it like a planer, to thickness a board quickly and without filling up my dust collector’s drum.

-- PaulMayer, http://www.vernswoodgoods.com

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DocSavage45

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#14 posted 12-12-2016 10:08 PM

Have the shop fox heavy duty dolly as well on all my machines helps in small shop. Smallest blade I’ve used is 1/4 inch but I have a scroll saw for smaller details.

Buy the Grizzly with the iron wheels.

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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dhar

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#15 posted 12-13-2016 03:27 PM

I stopped by my local Woodcraft yesterday to check out the Laguna in person. Beautiful saw I must say.

They said they sell “ALOT” of 14-12 and all their customers have been very happy with it. They said that after the positive feedback they received from purchasers of the Laguna 14-12, they decided to replace the Powermatic that was in their workshop area with the 14-12. The reported that its gets daily use (several hours a day) for the past year without issues. The had 1/4” blade on the one in their workshop. Not sure how it will handle a blade less than 1/4”, but it handled the 1/4” perfectly.

Wish I could check out the Grizzly in person. Does anyone in the DC area own one? :-)

Given the “value” factor, I am leaning towards the Grizzly. Woodcraft did mention that the Laguna might be on a 10% off sale late-January/early-February if I can wait that long. With 10% off and no shipping costs, the price difference (pre-tax) is slightly reduced between the two saws. The Grizzly will be $550+$80 = $630 vs and the Laguna for $990 (i.e., a delta of $260+tax).

Decisions – Decisions :-).

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