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jonnybrophy

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12-11-2016 02:51 PM

Topic tags/keywords: ras radial arm saw recall rebate money noob

Hey guys, I was just lookin through CL and noticed that The craftsman 8-10 in RAS’s are constantly being posted. I could get many for less than $100 then get the $100 recall compensation and make some money. But i do have a conscious. I really love old tools and i am always welcoming of an old saw especially, but should i do? No one esle seems to be buying them and i’m sweating for money(building a shop is hard on the wallet). What do you guys think? is it immoral?unethical?would that make me a monster?

https://orlando.craigslist.org/search/tls?query=radial+arm+saw

P.S. I wouldnt mind keeping one of course, but i do want one of those dewalt GE’s…

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DirtyMike

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#1 posted 12-11-2016 06:15 PM

That 16 inch dewalt for 200 bucks is your money maker.

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jonnybrophy

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#2 posted 12-11-2016 06:35 PM


That 16 inch dewalt for 200 bucks is your money maker.

- DirtyMike


Really? how so? I have never owned a RAS and I really want to. I setting up a begginner shop and am searching for ways to make a little extra $$.
It is a pretty saw though

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Fred Hargis

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#3 posted 12-11-2016 06:36 PM

It is neither immoral or unethical, but I still don’t do it. Usually when I see one for sale for less than, say, $150 or so, I’ll send them an email explaining the recall and giving them a link to the site. Once I got a reply chewing my arse out for sending him the message, and he wasn’t interested….so now I put in a sentence that says if you are aware of this or otherwise not interested I apologize for this message. Sometimes i get a “thank you” e mail, once i actually (believe it or not) got a check for $25…the extra amount the guy got from the recall. But they occasionally get posted at prices well above $150…I just ignore those, if someone wants that much for one of those saws I wish them the best. I also ignore the ones I can’t e mail, it’s not worth my time trying to help someone by playing phone tag.

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jonnybrophy

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#4 posted 12-11-2016 06:40 PM

That’s an awfully nice thing to do fred, and if they are mean, then screw them. I would only buy ones i could at least make a $20 profit on.

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jonnybrophy

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#5 posted 12-11-2016 06:42 PM

That’s an awfully nice thing to do fred, and if they are mean, then screw em. I would only buy ones i could at least make a $20 profit on.

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#6 posted 12-11-2016 06:55 PM

I believe technically if the recall fixes have not been done it’s illegal to resell the saw. I may be totally in left field but I remember reading that somewhere.

Found it.. “CPSIA Makes Selling Recalled Products Illegal”.

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jonnybrophy

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#7 posted 12-11-2016 07:03 PM

Oh really, thats wierd, makes sense though.
But for real i am now really intrigued in the dewalt
https://orlando.craigslist.org/tls/5897858362.html
Anyone know anything about it?

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MrUnix

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#8 posted 12-11-2016 07:28 PM

I just bought another one a couple of weeks ago. But my motivation was not profit. Keep in mind that you only send back the motor/carriage for the recall, so you will need to figure out what to do with the rest of the inoperable machine after you do.

In my case, the new RAS came on a craftsman roll around enclosed base that was much nicer than the splayed sheet metal legs on my other one. It also had some extras thrown in with it – several blades, a RAS miter vice, moulding cutter head, adjustable dado blade and a moulding head/dado blade guard – which, other than a few of the blades, were all brand new and still in their original box/case. It didn’t run, and the seller claimed that it was due to a broken switch (which had already been removed), so he was asking $60 for the works. I instantly recognized that it was one of the saws on the recall list, and I just wanted the base, so I grabbed it knowing that I could send in the motor and get my $60 back plus a little extra for my effort.

As it turned out, the RAS was in much better condition that the one I already had – almost in pristine condition. It also turned out that it wasn’t the switch, but the motor itself was toast. So I just took the motor off my other RAS, slapped it on the new one, and sent in the dead motor for the recall. I also was able to take advantage of the recall a few years back to get the upgraded blade guard and new table, so I moved those over as well. Effectively, I got paid to upgrade to a better condition machine, on a better base, with a bunch of nice extras thrown in. As for my now inoperable old RAS, I plan on turning it into an overarm router station.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: This thread has pictures of the base, blades and other stuff: Are any of these 10 inch blades any good?

PSS: As for the legality of selling a recalled product… I researched that a while back. It mostly applies to new products for children in a retail environment, and seriously doubt it could be applied to private sale transactions on vintage machinery. Plus, who is going to initiate any kind of legal action… the buyer (you)? I wouldn’t worry too much about it. YMMV.

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#9 posted 12-11-2016 07:59 PM

I say go for it, well, try it once anyhow.

I got a couple of those saws in a lot with
a planer and router table I wanted and
sending in the motors for the recall nearly
got me even on the whole investment.

That is indeed a good deal on that DeWalt,
though it may be 3-phase. It would be
worth something to the right buyer…
some shops do have a call for them.

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#10 posted 12-11-2016 08:08 PM

Sounds like a lot of work to make $25. All that traveling to pick up tools burns gas and time.

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jonnybrophy

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#11 posted 12-11-2016 08:17 PM

well im just a begginer woodworker so maybe the dewalt is overkill? and what is 3 phase?240 volts?

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MrUnix

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#12 posted 12-11-2016 08:22 PM

3 phase is what you don’t have at your house. Residential electricity is single phase. In order to use a three phase machine, you would either need to replace the motor with a single phase one, or get a phase converter to convert your single phase residential service to three phase. The advantage is that three phase motors are pretty much bullet proof – more robust and more efficient than their single phase counterparts. And while there are 120v three phase motors out there (I have one!), they are not very common – most are 240v and up.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: For ~1hp and smaller three phase motors, it is possible to run them on your 120v residential service. There are several VFD’s that take 120v single phase input and produce 240v three phase output (like this one for about $130).

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#13 posted 12-11-2016 08:22 PM



well im just a begginer woodworker so maybe the dewalt is overkill? and what is 3 phase?240 volts?

- jonnybrophy


It means you will have to buy a controller to use it. Not all Crapsman RAS are included in that recall and don’t forget the shipping cost of the motor to get the rebate, it could cost you money.

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Fred Hargis

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#14 posted 12-11-2016 08:27 PM

well im just a begginer woodworker so maybe the dewalt is overkill? and what is 3 phase?240 volts?

- jonnybrophy

It means you will have to buy a controller to use it. Not all Crapsman RAS are included in that recall and don t forget the shipping cost of the motor to get the rebate, it could cost you money.

- papadan

There isn’t any shipping costs, or any costs at all involved (to the owner). When you call them and give them the info (S/n) they have a box sent to you, you put the motor in it and then they have it picked up.


Sounds like a lot of work to make $25. All that traveling to pick up tools burns gas and time.

- JAAune

Perzactly….even $50 wouldn’t be worth it to me.

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MrUnix

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#15 posted 12-11-2016 08:29 PM

Not all Crapsman RAS are included in that recall and don t forget the shipping cost of the motor to get the rebate, it could cost you money.
- papadan

They pay shipping. You contact them, and they send a box with a pre-paid return label (and even include the packing tape needed to seal it up). After they get the motor, a check will show up in your mail a few weeks later.

Cheers,
Brad

(Guess Fred beat me to it :)

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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