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08-06-2010 01:59 PM

Got an email from Delta the other day talking all this smack about their new dust collector and other tools they are introducing for 2010. I was intrigued as I know the 50-760 is a tried and true value for the hobby type woodworker. Looking at the spec sheet on Delta’s website this new collector has the same specs as the old 50-760 with just a different look. Can anyone inlighten me as to why it might be in a better interest to wait for the new model over picking up a 760 for my shop?


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#1 posted 08-06-2010 02:51 PM

I do not know anything about the dust collector you are asking about but is this just a dust collector?
I would recommend that you look at cyclones dust collector/separator instead of purely dust collectors.
I know that delta is quite expensive and I suspect that you could buy a cyclone for about the same price or just a little bit more and a cyclone will do much more for you that just a dust collector.

-- Bert

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#2 posted 08-06-2010 03:18 PM

Here is a link to the collector.
http://www.deltaportercable.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=24010

I doubt highly that someone can get into a cyclone for a little under 500 bucks. But thats neither here nore there.

For my needs a collector of this size would be perfect. I’m in a 3 car garage and only abl to use 2 bays(wifes car ya know) and so mobility and ease of use is a must.
The five year warrenty doesn’t hurt either.

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#3 posted 08-06-2010 08:28 PM

juicegoose, I do not pretend to tell you what to do but I have been looking at these things for quite a while now and without saying that I know it all I have reading a lot about dust collection in the last 18 months or so.
I recommend that you read this thread:
http://lumberjocks.com/topics/19074
and that you look at the cyclone we talk about in it and that you look at Harbor Freight dust collector.
For the price of the delta you can build yourself a sweet system with a cyclone and a good exhaust filter.

For your lungs sake you also need to read these pages:

http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm

I have a HF 2HP dust collector which works great for the price ( I pay $139.00 for, new!) and I am finishing my shop then I shall buy the cyclone on Ebay and put everything together for less than $500.00 with the filter.

I sincerely hope that this helps

-- Bert

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#4 posted 08-06-2010 08:35 PM

Bert Sorry didn’t mean to come off like I assume I did. I appreciate your input and will look into the system setup. Thanks a lot

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#5 posted 08-06-2010 09:39 PM

No problem and you are very welcone

-- Bert

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#6 posted 08-07-2010 04:02 AM

For under $200, you can get a HF 2HP dust collector and a 1 micron bag.
Dust collector, $139 w/ coupon, and bag at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Big-Horn-11765-Diameter-1-Micron/dp/B001C04FJY

-- Gerry, http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/index.html http://www.jointcam.com

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#7 posted 08-08-2010 02:59 AM

I have a similar Delta and love it. I’m curious as to why they are re-doing things. Maybe it just coincides with the tablesaw redesign.

I usually steer clear of anything HF, but I’ve yet to hear anyone (amateur at least) that has had a complaint after hotrodding the HF DC unit. I “almost” wish I did it myself. I only say that because I’m pretty happy with what I’ve got and couldn’t imagine better. I still plan to switch to a canister filter eventually though.

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#8 posted 08-08-2010 03:08 AM

Not to disparage the new Dust Collector. But it looks like it is just a 50-760 with a slightly modified base, and black paint. That is NOT what I would call an upgrade… Now if they had gotten serious and put a separator baffle and a .5 micron canister on the thing I might take a second look…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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#9 posted 08-08-2010 01:37 PM

One of the things about which I was trying to get your attention is the size of the dust particles you reject in the room you are working in. If you read Bill Pentz , you notice that he recommend that this particles be less than 0.5 microns. Your lungs cannot be replaced, and they must be your first concern. If you presently have no dust collection system at all, my recommendation would be to buy an HF dust collector with a separator bin with a baffle and to install a good air filter on your dust collector to replace the bag.
As a starter system that would work really well for quite a low investment

Look at the links below:
http://www.wynnenv.com/cartridge_filters.htm
http://www.wynnenv.com/9e300bl_conversion.htm
http://www.cgallery.com/jpthien/cy.htm
I bought my trash can cover at woodcraft and I made an d installed the baffle, that works really well;
http://www.woodcraft.com/Catalog/ProductPage.aspx?prodid=8981

If you want to dig deeper, there are tons of forums on the Internet talking about these things.
Here is one of them:
http://www.cgallery.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=2d9badfd1cfc882f5be6e456da5540eb&board=1.0

jiucegoose (could you explain this strange nickname) I do not know how ambitious you are to modify and existing dust collector, but look that the following page and video, and you will notice that with some work the results can be really amazing. If you look at the video you will notice that no visible dust comes out of the dust collector! ( this by no way means that this air is safe to breath. This is why you need to filter this air to remove the micro particles which damage your lungs). In the video, you would replace the bag on the top of the dust collector with a cartridge air filter.

http://www.cgallery.com/smf/index.php?topic=262.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVCqHsa_zq4

Good luck, I hope this helps.

-- Bert

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#10 posted 08-10-2010 01:41 PM

Bert thanks for all the links. I’ll read through them all. The nickname came back when I was younger. Worked with some guys that one day said I was moving around like a juiced up goose. Kind of shortened it and molded to my liking but I’ve used it in forums ever since. I even went as far as to name my F-16 “Juicegoose” back when I was in the Air force.

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#11 posted 08-10-2010 01:52 PM

Jiucegoose, you are welcome.
Myself am going back and forth concerning what I want to do; I know what I want at the end: a cyclone with a filter on but I hesitate between buying one and building one. Also there is so much “propaganda” out there. they all pretend to be to the best. In reality what do I truly need and which one is truly the best.
I have been reading a lot of good things about Oneida systems and now I have three choices : to build a system with my existing HF dust collector and and E-bay cyclone and a filter, buy a 5HP Clear view system or buy an 2.5HP Oneida system.
Have a good day.

-- Bert

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#12 posted 08-10-2010 02:26 PM

Ya a cyclone would be great but in my humble little shop it would be to much a space hog. Right now anything would be better then the Ridgid shop vac I’ve been using. After reading the Wynn website on the HF collector conversion I still think I’m gunna go with the 50-760. From Wynns measurements the HF after conversion was only pulling 550 cfm with the new filter. pretty sure the delta has a little better performance then that. But I’ll look into it more. Additionally I like the fact that the delta setup I can place the trashcan on the cart where as the HF i’ll have to build a cart to fit it all.

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#13 posted 08-10-2010 11:28 PM

Put a Thien baffle inside the HF and the bottom bag is all you need for both chips and sawdust.

I’m very suspicious that the Delta can get a heck of a lot more CFM than the HF with Wynn cartridge. HF of course does not actually give you 1.5HP, but the HF impeller looks to me to be bigger than what could be in the Delta. Be interesting to get comparable measurements.

Either probably will do the job, although the difference between 1 micron and .5 microns is substantial. Of course the stock 5 micron bag on the HF is much, much worse.

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#14 posted 08-10-2010 11:47 PM

I’ve done alot of research on dust collectors lately and a cyclone is right for me. To get around the cost, I’m going to build one myself. Here is a link to the plans:
http://www.woodstore.net/cycduscol.html

-- Mark

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#15 posted 08-11-2010 11:30 AM

patternmaker, is it really worth it to build your own cyclone when you can buy one for around $200.00?
Personally I do not think so.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cyclone-Separator-Dust-Collector-/270423194251?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

juicegoose, again you do what you think is best but I do not think that the delta will give better performance than the HF and with the money you save you can buy yourself a trash can separator and a filter and you will have a far superior system than the Delta will ever be.

-- Bert

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