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mtjim

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12-03-2016 01:36 AM

Hi I am trying to decide on a power feed. I am looking at the Steff 2044 Power Feeder which is $1189 and is a 1HP 220V, 1 PH, 4 wheel and a Powermatic Model PF-41, 1HP, 1Ph, 115V, 4-Speed, 4 Wheel for $1168. The 115V would be nice because I wouldn’t have to run another 220 outlet but it seems that they are the only one that is doing that and that makes me wonder if it is a very good idea. Any thoughts. The Steff is made in Italy instead of Tywan which seems like that may be and advantage. I could go with a 3 wheel version for a hundred less but thought that 4 wheels may be better. I have very little experience with power feeds and so any expertise would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks


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AHuxley

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#1 posted 12-03-2016 01:59 AM

First, it would help to know what shaper you are putting these on, at least whether it will be a light weight 3hp or less, a 7.5hp+ or something in between.

Second, Co-Matic makes all the Asian feeders so color is less important than the exact feeder you are getting (as there are some variations), Co-Matic imports under their own name and often has a bigger variety available and the prices are usually some of the best.

Third, after using one of the new Co-matic DC variable speed feeders I will never go back to the fixed multi-speed feeders.

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Steve

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#2 posted 12-03-2016 02:20 AM

I have a General Power feed on my 1 1/4” shaper it works just great.

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#3 posted 12-03-2016 02:36 AM



First, it would help to know what shaper you are putting these on, at least whether it will be a light weight 3hp or less, a 7.5hp+ or something in between.

Second, Co-Matic makes all the Asian feeders so color is less important than the exact feeder you are getting (as there are some variations), Co-Matic imports under their own name and often has a bigger variety available and the prices are usually some of the best.

Third, after using one of the new Co-matic DC variable speed feeders I will never go back to the fixed multi-speed feeders.

- AHuxley

Thanks for the info. I am going to be using it with a 5hp shaper doing primarily cabinet doors. I looked at the Co-matic and they were almost the exact price. The variable speed are $1395 for the 4 roller and $1295 for the 3 roller. They do look really nice. Do you think they are worth the extra money. They are also only 1/2 HP and only weighs 55# instead of 157#. A lot of the weight difference may be that the motor is so much lighter but I was worried that the rest of it may also be lighter duty.

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AHuxley

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#4 posted 12-03-2016 03:58 AM

First, it would help to know what shaper you are putting these on, at least whether it will be a light weight 3hp or less, a 7.5hp+ or something in between.

Second, Co-Matic makes all the Asian feeders so color is less important than the exact feeder you are getting (as there are some variations), Co-Matic imports under their own name and often has a bigger variety available and the prices are usually some of the best.

Third, after using one of the new Co-matic DC variable speed feeders I will never go back to the fixed multi-speed feeders.

- AHuxley

Thanks for the info. I am going to be using it with a 5hp shaper doing primarily cabinet doors. I looked at the Co-matic and they were almost the exact price. The variable speed are $1395 for the 4 roller and $1295 for the 3 roller. They do look really nice. Do you think they are worth the extra money. They are also only 1/2 HP and only weighs 55# instead of 157#. A lot of the weight difference may be that the motor is so much lighter but I was worried that the rest of it may also be lighter duty.

- mtjim

The thing about the HP of the DC feeder vs an AC feeder is the way torques is delivered, with the 1/2hp DC brushless motor you will have as much or more torque than a 1hp brushed AC motor. I think they are worth the money because I personally will only use them now given a choice. The ability to adjust them to get just the right knife cuts and chip load allow you to get the perfect speed for any operation, their ability to turn 90 degrees quickly and accurately saves setup time and how easy they change wheel configurations further reduces setup time. Nothing about them is built or designed poorly and they are running in lots of commercial shops and will be in more and more as people get exposed to them and they replace standard feeders. The 1/2hp DC feeder has enough power and speed to outrun a 5hp shaper, all day everyday. A lot of people are still more comfortable with a “standard” feeder and for a 5hp+ shaper I want a 1hp 4 wheel feeder unless it is an unusually light 5hp shaper with a small table.

Edit I forgot to add the 55 pounds you are looking at is just the weight of the feeder not including the stand which you included with the AC feeder. The DC 40 weighs 117 pounds compared to 144 pounds for the AF-44 which is the 4 wheel 1hp AC unit, so it is lighter due to the much lighter motor but nothing like the numbers you had.

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mtjim

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#5 posted 12-03-2016 04:13 AM


First, it would help to know what shaper you are putting these on, at least whether it will be a light weight 3hp or less, a 7.5hp+ or something in between.

Second, Co-Matic makes all the Asian feeders so color is less important than the exact feeder you are getting (as there are some variations), Co-Matic imports under their own name and often has a bigger variety available and the prices are usually some of the best.

Third, after using one of the new Co-matic DC variable speed feeders I will never go back to the fixed multi-speed feeders.

- AHuxley

Thanks for the info. I am going to be using it with a 5hp shaper doing primarily cabinet doors. I looked at the Co-matic and they were almost the exact price. The variable speed are $1395 for the 4 roller and $1295 for the 3 roller. They do look really nice. Do you think they are worth the extra money. They are also only 1/2 HP and only weighs 55# instead of 157#. A lot of the weight difference may be that the motor is so much lighter but I was worried that the rest of it may also be lighter duty.

- mtjim

The thing about the HP of the DC feeder vs an AC feeder is the way torques is delivered, with the 1/2hp DC brushless motor you will have as much or more torque than a 1hp brushed AC motor. I think they are worth the money because I personally will only use them now given a choice. The ability to adjust them to get just the right knife cuts and chip load allow you to get the perfect speed for any operation, their ability to turn 90 degrees quickly and accurately saves setup time and how easy they change wheel configurations further reduces setup time. Nothing about them is built or designed poorly and they are running in lots of commercial shops and will be in more and more as people get exposed to them and they replace standard feeders. The 1/2hp DC feeder has enough power and speed to outrun a 5hp shaper, all day everyday. A lot of people are still more comfortable with a “standard” feeder and for a 5hp+ shaper I want a 1hp 4 wheel feeder unless it is an unusually light 5hp shaper with a small table.

- AHuxley

Thanks for the info. Would you need the 4 wheel comatic or would the 3 week be fine? The table is 40×32.

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AHuxley

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#6 posted 12-03-2016 04:56 AM

Need is one of those terms…

On a decent sized 5hp shaper like that I would go with a 4 wheel. You can always run with fewer wheels if the need arises but you can’t add wheels. Before you make a final decision search around the major WWing forums and see when the opinions of the Easy Feeders are, I think you will see a trend with the guys that use shapers day in and day out.

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cabmaker

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#7 posted 12-03-2016 02:09 PM

The stuffs are very good units….I have a one hp 4 wheel on my latest shaper.

It replaced my orig 2hp forrest city (maggi stEff)

I also have two 1 hp comics, three wheel

And one three wheel 1/4 hp

If i could only have one feeder,,,,,,it would be a three wheel one hp comatic.

Its pretty amazing what you can do by simply changing wheels on these things.

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cabmaker

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#8 posted 12-03-2016 02:15 PM

Its very easy to over think these machines

They are simple and efficient

Physical weight is key, hence the downfall to the 1/4 hp and less units

As for the concern about power,,,,,,,two of mine are plugged into outlets i installed on the shaper in parallel,,,,these machines have occasionally run continuouis for say 4-6 hrs without any negative results.

220 vac is a better deal !

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mtjim

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#9 posted 12-04-2016 03:53 PM



Its very easy to over think these machines

They are simple and efficient

Physical weight is key, hence the downfall to the 1/4 hp and less units

As for the concern about power,,,,,,,two of mine are plugged into outlets i installed on the shaper in parallel,,,,these machines have occasionally run continuouis for say 4-6 hrs without any negative results.

220 vac is a better deal !

- cabmaker

That sounds super convenient. How did you wire that? Did you take the power to the box first and then plug the shaper and the power feeder or did you take power from the switch box of the shaper? It seems like the later would be a great way to void my warranty. Also I am assuming that the shaper and power feed call for different sized breaker. How did you deal with that?

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cabmaker

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#10 posted 12-06-2016 12:32 AM

I mounted a 220vac outlet on the back of the machine,,,,wired into the machine feed,,,,then simply plug in the feeder.

I quit worrying about warrantees a long time ago

no change in breaker s,,,,,just plug and play

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