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Wondermutt

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12-02-2016 12:57 AM

I have a HF 5” and a Dewalt and both stink when hooked up to the collector.

I am looking for one that does a better job, as my sanding is now being done in the same area where my airbrush station is. I realize nothing is perfect, but there has to be one that is better than what I currently have.

Thanks
WM


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Redoak49

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#1 posted 12-02-2016 01:04 AM

IMHO the best is Festool hooked up to one of their vacs. Not cheap but effective.

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RobS888

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#2 posted 12-02-2016 01:13 AM

Dust collector is wrong for a ROS, a shop vac has a much higher velocity and works with small tools much better. Try it.

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Craftsman on the lake

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#3 posted 12-02-2016 01:27 AM

shop vac… works good.

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Bobsboxes

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#4 posted 12-02-2016 01:59 AM

Craftsman shop vac with hepa filter, so you are not blowing small particles back into air in shop. Dust collector works best with high volume.

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#5 posted 12-02-2016 11:17 AM

I tried connecting my 5” Porter Cable ROS to my Ridged shop vac and while yes, it seriously reduced the dust, it was awkward and inconvenient to use. It weighted the sander down too much, and I felt like it severely added time to my sanding jobs.

I have never used the nice 5” Festool ROS (b/c it cost like $400! lol) with the Festool vac, so I can’t comment on that. I would, however, like to try the 5” Festool ROS and the Festool vac that is designed to be used together with it. I own a small cabinet shop and go through 5” ROS’s quite a bit. So if I could afford to spend $400 on the sander and another $800 (or whatever the vac cost) and not have to worry about buying another sander 6 months down the road, that would be nice.

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AHuxley

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#6 posted 12-02-2016 11:48 AM

If you want the best dust collection in a ROS it comes down to either the Mirka Deros or the Festool ETS sanders.

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Redoak49

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#7 posted 12-02-2016 11:53 AM

I think the best shop vacs are the Ridgid ones. I recently added one to my vacs. It is quieter than my old Craftsman, rolls well, has a good handle and really sucks. For sanding, you could add the HEPA filter.

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#8 posted 12-02-2016 11:55 AM

It was mentioned a few times above…a vac is the right tool. DC’s cannot handle being choked down to small ports; vacs are made for that. You do need to check a few things. With my Bosch, my vac pulled ss hard on it it actually pulled the sander down onto the wood….too much. The effect was the same if I put downward pressure on it with my hands and that would ruin the H&L pads on the sander. I vented the vac so it wouldn’t do that. Later I got one that had variable suction and dial it down when sanding. I do agree sanding with a vac hose attached is anything but convenient, but it beats having that fine dust everywhere.

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#9 posted 12-02-2016 12:22 PM



I think the best shop vacs are the Ridgid ones. I recently added one to my vacs. It is quieter than my old Craftsman, rolls well, has a good handle and really sucks. For sanding, you could add the HEPA filter.

- Redoak49

I assume you are not including Festool, Fein, Bosch et al in this comparison, since the only attribute I can think of that the Ridgid holds an advantage in is price. As for the HEPA filters added to non-HEPA vacs (not designed as a HEPA unit) they still leave much to be desired and spew a decent amount of fine particulates back into the air, better than not using them but not near the quality of HEPA designed units.

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Wondermutt

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#10 posted 12-02-2016 01:31 PM

Thanks for the input guys. Does the Festool sanders have to be used with their vacs or can they be ran with shop vacs as described above? If they can be ran with run of the mill vacs, how much efficiency do they loose if any?

I tried the shop vac hooked up this am and it helped but pulled the sanders down and still had a lot of fines in the air. A large of improvement, but still made a mess.

It may sound petty, but I have moved into a smaller shop and no longer have a dedicated room for finishing and airbrushing and this sanding dust has been a PITA since the move.

I really appreciate your comments and input. I don’t have much free time to go out and “research” stuff if you know what I mean.

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Fred Hargis

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#11 posted 12-02-2016 02:26 PM

I use a Fein on my Festool tracksaw and Domino, and they work just, well, fein. I don’t know what the difference (if any) there is between that and the Festool vac.

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cabmaker

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#12 posted 12-02-2016 03:12 PM


Thanks for the input guys. Does the Festool sanders have to be used with their vacs or can they be ran with shop vacs as described above? If they can be ran with run of the mill vacs, how much efficiency do they loose if any?

I tried the shop vac hooked up this am and it helped but pulled the sanders down and still had a lot of fines in the air. A large of improvement, but still made a mess.

It may sound petty, but I have moved into a smaller shop and no longer have a dedicated room for finishing and airbrushing and this sanding dust has been a PITA since the move.

I really appreciate your comments and input. I don t have much free time to go out and “research” stuff if you know what I mean.

- Wondermutt


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I can tell you with absolute confidence that I have gulped more fine dust than you will in the next thirty years !

Don’t hang up, hear me out!

This wed i came home from a four day stay in the hospital….Second time in two years !(respiratory related)

I do not wish this experience on anyone.

Knowing what i now know after 45 yrs in the business of working wood is that if I could start again I could not recommend starting with a table saw etc, etc. I WOULD START WITH ALL THINGS CLEAN AIR

As in most shop settings, sanding is the weak spot when it comes to environmental integrity.

If you just intend to play around making sawdust 2-3 hrs on saturdays, you have no worries But beyond that, i can recommend nothing short of a well engineered hepa system .

My system of choice is festool simply because it was easily available to me.(I don’t mean cost)

I thought i had reached the pinnacle when i started using bosch sanders years ago.

Boy was i wrong!

I know there are other systems out there but now that i have a near 100% dust free sanding system…why look further.

Im well aware that you can bootleg a system together that will get you through but why would you want to try and outsmart the engineering of their hepa system ?

I recovered from the pain of purchase in the first five minutes of use !

And no…i do not work for festool,,,,I am just a guy that loves what he does and loves life.

Please don t cheap out when it comes to breathing. I experienced that five days ago. I don’t want to do that again!

Love Jesus first, then love yourself, do the right thing !

JB

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Logan Windram

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#13 posted 12-02-2016 03:23 PM

I have a shop vac in a cabinet below my sanding area, with a door on the cabinet where the panel is a fine particle air filter so the vac can exhaust but there is an extra layer of dust catching. I am ordering a hepa filter for my shop vac. I also bought a super flexible hose from Rockler that connect to any ROS, which has really helped.

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AHuxley

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#14 posted 12-02-2016 10:59 PM



Thanks for the input guys. Does the Festool sanders have to be used with their vacs or can they be ran with shop vacs as described above? If they can be ran with run of the mill vacs, how much efficiency do they loose if any?

I tried the shop vac hooked up this am and it helped but pulled the sanders down and still had a lot of fines in the air. A large of improvement, but still made a mess.

It may sound petty, but I have moved into a smaller shop and no longer have a dedicated room for finishing and airbrushing and this sanding dust has been a PITA since the move.

I really appreciate your comments and input. I don t have much free time to go out and “research” stuff if you know what I mean.

- Wondermutt

Any shop vac will provide suction to clear the work of dust and do that job as well as a Festool vac, maybe too well in that you may need to bleed some of the suction in order to prevent the more powerful vacs from sucking the sander down to the work, this is why vacuums like the Festool have variable suction. The real difference is the dust the “standard” shop vac spits back out into the air. So both are as good for the work a HEPA extractor is good for both the work and your lungs. You can add a HEPA filter (like Cleanstream) to the vac which will help some but the vacs that are not unit certified as HEPA will still spew a lot of fine dust back into the air, easy enough to prove with a Dylos or other particle meter. In this case you want to continue to use a dust mask even with a HEPA filter in a non HEPA certified unit even with a HEPA filter, though in belt and suspenders fashion some would suggest wearing a dust mask even with a full HEPA unit. I hate masks, even positive pressure masks and refuse to use them unless I am spraying finish as a result I use a HEPA extractor (a Dust Cobra but that is a different animal compared to a vac) and ambient air filtration and skip the mask, but a mask would be better.

If you do decide to use a standard vac you will want a smaller more flexible hose than supplied with the vac while I prefer a 27mm hose I haven;t found a cheap source for those, many people use a Bosch VAC005 35mm hose (usually under $30 on Amazon for up to $40 currently) which is an excellent hose for the money.

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Marcial

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#15 posted 12-03-2016 05:21 AM

I have both Fein and Festool HEPA vacs and find them equally effective. As for sanders I’m really happy c the two Festools I have- the RO150 and RO90. A few weeks ago I was talking shop c John Economaki of BCT and he is able to use the Festool sanders w/o a dust mask- and he quit furniture making due to dust allergies. I still use a dust mask while operating power tools- call me chicken.

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