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Forum topic by Abter posted 11-28-2016 06:45 PM 638 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Abter

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11-28-2016 06:45 PM

Topic tags/keywords: router

{I suspect this has been discussed here at LJ before, but I can’t find a thread focused on my questions. Links to existing threads would be appreciated}
I am considering building a router table setup onto my table saw. I may be an odd duck, but so far I have used a router much more as a table mounted than in either freestanding plunge or fixed base mode. I am a home hobbyist, who so far has been doing most of my work at our community woodshop with a very good Freud router on a Freud lift and in a Freud table. Sweet, but way to $$$ for me (and Freud no longer sells a router under their own name).

I am debating between two popular 2.25 HP combo kits: the Dewalt DW618pk and the Bosch 1617EVSPK. Both are widely available for ~$190.

I haven’t been able to get a clear understanding about one big issue. The fixed base on both of these kits can be used for a table mount. Bottom line question: How Good Are These Kits as a Table Mounted Router? Most reviews talk about lots of the kit’s features, but barely mention use as a table mount.

Questions.
These both have height adjustments made from above. How big a range of adjustment do you get? Do you have to go under to make large adjustments, and then can fine tune the height from above. Do they raise the bits high enough to allow you to change bits from above?

Put another way…what CAN’T you do from above with these as table mounts? I suspect changing speed is a reach/crawl under, and I know you have to go under to take the motor unit out to use as a plunge.

Any help/discussion would be much appreciated.

-- "Many men fish all their lives without ever realizing that it is not the fish they are after." {often mis-quoted as by H.D. Thoreau}


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HorizontalMike

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#1 posted 11-28-2016 07:05 PM

Have you considered using a Triton router. I has its own lifting mechanism. I have the 3-1/4hp table mounted with above table adjustment. I also mounted the 2-1/4hp version in my horizontal mortising machine. Something to consider… ;-)

http://www.rockler.com/triton-mof001-2-1-4-hp-dual-mode-plunge-router

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#2 posted 11-28-2016 07:29 PM

Mike; I had not considered the Triton, and barely knew it existed. Thanks! It certainly has very interesting features…Looks like I have some more online reading to do…hope my boss doesn’t mind !!
One question for you: How much of a pain in the ass is it to mount/unmount from the table? I may run into an answer in my online research, but would appreciate your reality-based experience.

-- "Many men fish all their lives without ever realizing that it is not the fish they are after." {often mis-quoted as by H.D. Thoreau}

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#3 posted 11-28-2016 09:19 PM

I have a big home made router table/cabinet and after some research I decided on a Porter Cable fixed base router that had ‘through the base’ router bit adjustment. It came with the adjuster. I had to drill a hole in the router table insert plate the router base was attached to, so the adjuster could be inserted from above when adjustment was needed. I have to reach under the table top to unlatch the router base clamp prior to adjusting bit height. Speed adjustment is also under the table. All in all, the setup works great and wasn’t very expensive.

I never remove the router, so ease of removal is not a factor for me. If it was, I’d just have the insert plate sitting loose in its recess, so the plate and router could be easily lifted upwards out of the table. That’s how I had my previous router table set up.

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#4 posted 11-28-2016 11:06 PM

Another vote for the Triton, I have the 3 1/4 in my table, the dust collection is outstanding, and not having to buy a lift make it even better.

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#5 posted 11-29-2016 11:50 AM



Mike; I had not considered the Triton, and barely knew it existed. Thanks! It certainly has very interesting features…Looks like I have some more online reading to do…hope my boss doesn t mind !!
One question for you: How much of a pain in the ass is it to mount/unmount from the table? I may run into an answer in my online research, but would appreciate your reality-based experience.
- Abter

Abter,
Just like Kirk, I never remove the router mounted in the table. As you see above, my router table is cast iron and you have to mount it from below. That is not really a problem, unless/when you find yourself going back and forth too much (THAT is why I say buy two, one mounted, one not). You won’t regret it.

When buying a second router, you will find that you will use both. FWIW, I went from 2, to 3, and then finally bought a small trim router even though I haven’t used it yet… but I have plans… ;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#6 posted 11-30-2016 03:41 AM



Just like Kirk, I never remove the router mounted in the table. As you see above, my router table is cast iron and you have to mount it from below.

- HorizontalMike

I have been considering this setup to replace my current Hitachi mounted with a Benchdog Pro-plate (no adjustment from above the table). Wondering if I would have to drill a new hole for the lift mechanism – anyone know?

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#7 posted 11-30-2016 03:55 AM

Mike,

Where did you get that cast iron router table you added to your table saw? I can’t recall ever seeing one that has that many miter tracks.

Ed

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#8 posted 11-30-2016 02:29 PM

+1 on the Triton although I would recommend the 3 1/4 hp for table mount. If you go with Triton you can use black sump pump hose from HD or Lowes for dust extraction, my shop vac hose fits into it perfectly. I have an Incra router plate that uses the insert rings, I drilled holes in the rings which vastly improved dust removal. You will need access underneath the table for locking the height and to access power & speed controls so bear those aspects in mind when mounting any router in your table.

Also, if you go with the Triton you can use a PC base plate which in turn will accept standard bushings for hand held operations.

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#9 posted 11-30-2016 02:40 PM

I’ve used the 1617 for years. I have a base permanently attached to the table, and then use the fixed and plunge bases for standard routing. Works well for me.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#10 posted 11-30-2016 03:06 PM


Mike,

Where did you get that cast iron router table you added to your table saw? I can t recall ever seeing one that has that many miter tracks.

Ed

- EFR


It is Grizzly’s: http://www.grizzly.com/products/Router-Extension-Table-for-Table-Saw/T10222
When I moved to a larger shop I took mine off of the table saw and reused it for my router station.

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#11 posted 11-30-2016 03:20 PM

Nice conversion Bob! +10

As you can see in post#1 , besides the router extension, I also reused the “right” TS wing thus making for a very long cast iron surface. For me, leaving it on the TS helps me to NOT use it as a “storage” spot for crap when working on a project.

Flat surfaces seem to have a magnetic attraction for crap in the shop… ;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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