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Forum topic by 8iowa posted 07-27-2010 04:20 PM 1879 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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07-27-2010 04:20 PM

Family problems create personnel and operational consternation.

-- "Heaven is North of the Bridge"

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#1 posted 07-27-2010 05:43 PM

Talk about greed,
that’s unforgivable in my opinion.
Hope Allan is rewarded appropriately.
Thanks for posting,


-- Imagination rules the world. ~ Napoleon Bonaparte ~

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#2 posted 07-27-2010 06:07 PM

That is a really terrible situation.
In the late 70’s, I would receive phonecalls from a nice man at HF. That may have been Allen.
I bought many good products from them. I still have and use most of them.


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#3 posted 07-27-2010 06:10 PM

Moral of the story? When you’re foisting crap tools upon a trusting public for 40+ years…expect something bad to happen.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#4 posted 07-27-2010 11:19 PM

Now you know why some animals eat their young.

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#5 posted 07-27-2010 11:31 PM

One thing is certain…the lawyers will make money.
By the way, in reference to the “crap tools” remark above, the stuff I’ve bought at HF over the years has been worth the money. I can’t complain. -SST

-- Accuracy is not in your power tool, it's in you

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#6 posted 07-28-2010 01:08 AM

This story reminds me of a similar situation involving “Barefoot Windjammer Cruises” in the Caribbean. The old man busted his butt starting in 1968 and ended up with 6 ships and plenty of business. In and around 2002 the kids took over and looted the company of cash flow.
The company is now defunct.
Some kids need their knees broken to learn a lesson.

Poopiekat, Some people can’t afford the high ticket items and HF is a great source for those who love to work with tools but are on a limited budget. HF is there so everyone, can have tools for their hobby or work and live their dreams. You need to back off.

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#7 posted 07-28-2010 01:11 AM

The love of money—they say—is the root of all evil.

I’ve bought a fair bit of stuff at HF, over the years (some great; some junk). I wonder if I get a fractional interest in the Beverly Hills or Manhattan mansions, or … a few hours alone with the Warhol painting ?

Hmm. Seems fair.

-- -- Neil

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#8 posted 07-28-2010 01:53 AM

Irrespective of what anyone thinks of their products, it’s a sad thing. However, dad should have known better. I doubt that he is going to go on food stamps.

-- Joe

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#9 posted 07-28-2010 02:07 AM

However, dad should have known better.

I’ve known more than a few decent parents … with … INdecent kids.

Denial … is what helps the parents stay sane ;-)

-- -- Neil

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#10 posted 07-28-2010 02:11 AM

I think that when people buy something at HF they know what they’re investing in. Maybe it’s a large vise smeared in cosmoline and poorly cast but you can beat the crap out of it and not care, maybe it’s a dovetail jig that you know you’ll use less than once a year and so when you do you can deal with a little tweaking and frustration, maybe it’s a drill press that’s made by the same Chinese companies that make Jet, Ridgid, etc… I don’t need a great angle grinder or biscuit jointer or tow chain…HF fits the bill. Some people on here like to say you get what you pay for but sometimes what you pay for is enough for “you”.

-- some day I hope to have enough clamps to need a clamp cart!

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#11 posted 07-28-2010 02:23 AM


--, Rick Kruse, Grand Rapids, MI

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#12 posted 07-28-2010 04:58 AM

Thanks for the heads\ up

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Appomattox Virginia †

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#13 posted 07-28-2010 05:18 AM

SAd day for the old man!! Story brings back too many memories of my uncle stealing my grandparents farm and putting them out of their house:-(

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#14 posted 07-28-2010 05:17 PM

Wow! Leveraging a company to grow, IE borrowing to grow the business, can be a good (but risky) move. It can be successful and pay off of course. Timing, skill, and luck are everything. Leveraging in say, June 2008, would be terrible timing. Once you owe, you lose control and get stuck in a spiral of debt payments.

Leveraging company money to buy yourself toys is absurd. Legal, but absurd and immoral IMHO. The employer owes it to their staff, customers, and vendors, to use company money for the business.

-- Horton Brasses Inc, makers of fine reproduction brass and iron hardware

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