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Medici

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11-21-2016 11:01 PM

So I’m going to be looking into a table saw in the next few months. I have a cheap Ryobi portable one now that is definitely not the best choice for 8/4 maple & ash.

I’m using a lot of thick hardwoods, all the way to 12/4, and as hard as Brazilian cherry (woods are between 1500-2300~) on the janka scale. I’m going to purchase some new Freud and/or Diablo blades so I’ve got that on lock, but I need something with a powerful motor. I do have a budget of $600~ dollars, which means I’m probably going to be looking into the Dewalt/makita/ridgid range of brands. Just want to know if someone has had some real good luck with something I should be looking into specifically.

I am 100% up for something used as well, but being in Upstate New york will limit me big time, because there’s not a ton of mid-higher end tools used for sale.

Thanks in advance. I know I can’t afford a whole lot, but I just want the best bang for my buck. I don’t mind having to make smaller cuts/2 passes if it means my saw can handle it. Thanks!

Medici


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MrUnix

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#1 posted 11-21-2016 11:13 PM

I am 100% up for something used as well, but being in Upstate New york will limit me big time, because there’s not a ton of mid-higher end tools used for sale.

You don’t need a ‘ton’ of saws available unless you are looking at buying a bunch of them :)

That area is a great spot for used equipment as there were a lot of manufacturers based out of New York and surrounding areas. A quick scan turned up quite a few really nice saws in the $1000 and less range. There is even a Powermatic 66 with an asking price of $750 that might be a fantastic deal – Ads without pictures don’t usually attract a lot of attention, and in most cases like that I’ve run across, turned out to be goldmines.

Cheers,
Brad

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WhyMe

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#2 posted 11-22-2016 12:23 AM

With a budget of $600, used is a good option if you can find something. For a new table saw at no more than $600 I suggest you to look at the Delta 36-725 sold by Lowes unless you want a job site style saw then I will suggest the Bosch 4100.

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Roadster280

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#3 posted 11-22-2016 03:23 AM

+1 for used up there. I bought a 5HP Powermatic 72 in Pennsylvania for $400 about 6 months ago. It was almost in NY. The one thing that sticks in my mind about used, is that if you buy right, you can get out of it for what you paid months or years down the line – “free to use”.

To be fair, blades and alignment can make an average saw terrible or really quite good. Can also make a good saw terrible.

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bbasiaga

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#4 posted 11-22-2016 03:46 AM

if you could go used and get someting with a 3hp motor, i think you’d notice an advantage…though you would need a 220v outlet to use it.

Brian

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#5 posted 11-22-2016 03:46 AM

Grizzly G0715P w/Incra fence & Freud TK blade.

M

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#6 posted 11-22-2016 09:42 AM

Craigslist, look for a 3hp, older powermatic or delta.

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#7 posted 11-22-2016 04:50 PM

You are on the right track with Freud or Forrest blades.

You need horsepower.

The only way to get what you need is to buy used. Six hundred dollars isn’t going to do it with a new saw.

-- Dale

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Medici

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#8 posted 11-22-2016 05:05 PM



I am 100% up for something used as well, but being in Upstate New york will limit me big time, because there’s not a ton of mid-higher end tools used for sale.

You don t need a ton of saws available unless you are looking at buying a bunch of them :)

That area is a great spot for used equipment as there were a lot of manufacturers based out of New York and surrounding areas. A quick scan turned up quite a few really nice saws in the $1000 and less range. There is even a Powermatic 66 with an asking price of $750 that might be a fantastic deal – Ads without pictures don t usually attract a lot of attention, and in most cases like that I ve run across, turned out to be goldmines.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

Yeah, syracuse is a little far for me, but will definitely keep an eye out for a 66! Good suggestion, i appreciate it.


With a budget of $600, used is a good option if you can find something. For a new table saw at no more than $600 I suggest you to look at the Delta 36-725 sold by Lowes unless you want a job site style saw then I will suggest the Bosch 4100.

- WhyMe

I looked at the delta before, and definitely keep it in mind. I have a lot of porter cable tools and know that theyre manufactured by the same people and am quite satisfied by them.


Craigslist, look for a 3hp, older powermatic or delta.

- Tabletop

Are you talking specifically about the old rockwell delta 3hp tables? Ive been looking for them, but havent seen too many.

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Loren

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#9 posted 11-22-2016 05:06 PM

You really should consider a 220v 3hp cabinet
saw for those hardwoods… or a band saw.

My present saw is a 4hp 12” saw and I have
bogged it down ripping 8/4 oak. That’s just
the real world… commercial saws meant for
heavy production are in the 5-10hp range
precisely because thicker wood is such a
challenge to cut.

Even a 3hp table saw will give you trouble ripping
that 12/4 stock. I would do it on the band saw,
personally. Set up some good outfeed support,
a decent fence and you can solder up your
own 3tpi rip blades from coil stock. With a
1.5hp motor a common 14” band saw running
a 1/2” x 3tpi blade will out-perform a 3hp cabinet
saw in ripping hardwoods.

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Medici

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#10 posted 11-22-2016 05:15 PM



You really should consider a 220v 3hp cabinet
saw for those hardwoods… or a band saw.

My present saw is a 4hp 12” saw and I have
bogged it down ripping 8/4 oak. That s just
the real world… commercial saws meant for
heavy production are in the 5-10hp range
precisely because thicker wood is such a
challenge to cut.

Even a 3hp table saw will give you trouble ripping
that 12/4 stock. I would do it on the band saw,
personally. Set up some good outfeed support,
a decent fence and you can solder up your
own 3tpi rip blades from coil stock. With a
1.5hp motor a common 14” band saw running
a 1/2” x 3tpi blade will out-perform a 3hp cabinet
saw in ripping hardwoods.

- Loren

Good suggestion, is there any guides that youve come across online on building your own rip blade?

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Loren

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#11 posted 11-22-2016 06:30 PM

http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/BandsawBladeSoldering.ashx

It’s easier to find 5/8” x 3tpi band saw coil
on ebay than thinner stock. Mostly coil is sold
for metal cutting saws but there are exceptions.

Mostly 14” saws won’t run 5/8” blades I think,
but many newer 16” and larger European style
saws will. You may have to spend more than $600
for such a saw but it’s the right tool for ripping
thick woods. Makes less dust too.

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#12 posted 11-22-2016 08:08 PM



I am 100% up for something used as well, but being in Upstate New york will limit me big time, because there’s not a ton of mid-higher end tools used for sale.

You don t need a ton of saws available unless you are looking at buying a bunch of them :)

That area is a great spot for used equipment as there were a lot of manufacturers based out of New York and surrounding areas. A quick scan turned up quite a few really nice saws in the $1000 and less range. There is even a Powermatic 66 with an asking price of $750 that might be a fantastic deal – Ads without pictures don t usually attract a lot of attention, and in most cases like that I ve run across, turned out to be goldmines.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


This. My recent table saw purchase didn’t have pics on craigslist either and it was an hour drive north so it worked out well.

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knotscott

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#13 posted 11-22-2016 08:16 PM

Whereabouts in upstate NY are you?

I’d definitely be eyeballing saws with belt drive induction motors…the added torque is a huge plus over the direct drive universal motors. A true 3hp saw should ensure it’s up to the task, but a I’ve cut to full blade height with a well tuned 1.75hp motor and a good blade, albeit I had to take it slow.

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Medici

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#14 posted 11-22-2016 09:20 PM



Whereabouts in upstate NY are you?

I d definitely be eyeballing saws with belt drive induction motors…the added torque is a huge plus over the direct drive universal motors. A true 3hp saw should ensure it s up to the task, but a I ve cut to full blade height with a well tuned 1.75hp motor and a good blade, albeit I had to take it slow.

- knotscott

I’m right outside Albany. This helps a lot. I don’t know anything about belt driven tables, so I’ll look into that!

Also. Is there a way to calculate amps to hp? I know you have to take voltage into consideration, but is there a good rule of thumb?

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MrUnix

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#15 posted 11-22-2016 09:28 PM

Electrical Motors - Horsepower and Amps
(Source: Engineering ToolBox)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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