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Forum topic by Rukus posted 11-20-2016 10:53 PM 1281 views 0 times favorited 4 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Rukus

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11-20-2016 10:53 PM

so i am working on a similar credenza to the below link (ended up going with through dovetails all around), except in all solid wood (ash case and drawers and walnut fronts to drawers and solid wood panel doors) and am struggling to figure out how to attach the 4 doors with european hidden cup hinges while allowing for wood movement since the grain will be running horizontally across the piece and the doors will be ~16” tall. the grain on the case runs front to back, so perpendicular to the grain on the doors.

this is the link i was referring to above:
https://www.gilt.com/brand/urbia/product/1163109328-urbia-yoga-sideboard

any ideas fellow lumberjacks??

thanks!
rukus


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JAAune

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#1 posted 11-21-2016 02:42 AM

It’s generally a bad idea to try recreating contemporary designs like that in solid wood. There’s a reason why traditional styles favor frame and panel. Those slab doors are best done in veneer which eliminates the movement issue you’re concerned about. Veneers are what make many contemporary styles possible.

Besides the whole expansion/contraction issue, solid doors will likely warp and move out of alignment which would look terrible.

-- See my work at http://remmertstudios.com and http://altaredesign.com

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Rukus

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#2 posted 11-21-2016 05:04 AM

Thanks, trying to stick with all solid wood here without going to a traditional frame and panel design. I am looking to go more modern and I can deal with keeping the slabs flat, though I’m not too concerned about warping as these have been nicely kiln dried and have sat for a while in the final resting environment without any warping through a summer season and now into the start of winter.

But I have seen a bunch of these similar designs that claim to have their front doors be made from solid slabs. And I’m curious how they all attack handling the hidden hinge attachments while allowing for wood movement. Do they just not consider it or are they lying and their doors are really veneered panels? Or is there something else I am missing?

Thanks again!

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JAAune

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#3 posted 11-22-2016 07:42 AM

Without knowing the manufacturer, I have no idea if they’re fibbing, have some hidden internal design or if they are putting out furniture that will self-destruct.

One way to accomplish it would be to install internal rails that are attached to the sides with screws in slotted holes or sliding dovetails. The rails would be oriented the same direction as the doors. The hinges would attach to those rails.

-- See my work at http://remmertstudios.com and http://altaredesign.com

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dbray45

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#4 posted 11-22-2016 06:21 PM

If you have quarter sawn wood, you can do this but you lose much the interesting patterns of flat and rift cut wood grains

-- David in Damascus, MD

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