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Forum topic by AnthonyC posted 07-23-2010 02:43 PM 1997 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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07-23-2010 02:43 PM

Started the dishwasher frame panel for the kitchen remodel. It’s our test template for the rest of the face frames and drawer fronts (plus a tuneup of my skills and equipment to see what needs improving).

I’ll start a project blog once I get some snaps and farther along.

But I need to start planning for a finish. We want white/off white with a chocolate glaze to highlight the bead and flute details. Face frames are poplar, small panels are MDF, larger panels are baltic birch. Cases are going to be prefinished ply, so no worries there.

I have several books on finishing and they just seem to confuse me more :)

I also have an HVLP conversion gun with 2, 1Q pots and a full line of projection sets. I’ve sprayed latex, water based poly, oil poly, conversion varnish (with user-mixed hardener), and shellac with good results.

Obviously we want durability and resistance to chemicals. I sautee a lot, so oil does get on the cabinets and needs to be cleaned. Water is obviously an issue as well.

So any advice is appreciated.

Thanks.

-- Amateur woodworker, professional mess-maker.


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#1 posted 07-24-2010 05:54 AM

Anthony, The two most commonly used products for kitchen cabinet finishes is the catalyzed Lacquer and your best would be the conversion varnish (which I see you’ve used before.)

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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#2 posted 07-24-2010 04:03 PM

Pre cat laquer or conversion varnish. Wiipe on the glaze, then clear coat.
Bill

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#3 posted 07-24-2010 09:44 PM

Any recommendations on brands? I know Sherwin Williams has a white precat lacquer but they were closed when I went by today.

I’m assuming the glaze and clear coat are also lacquers as well?

Oh and the only conversion varnish I have used was a camo finish on some hunting rifles for a friend. Very small job and mostly on plastic. Never anything this big. I remember we were rushing due to pot life issues.

Thanks for the help guys. I’m hoping to get some test boards started in the next couple of weeks.

-- Amateur woodworker, professional mess-maker.

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#4 posted 07-25-2010 03:57 AM

Anthony, Sherwin Williams should have a full line of what you need, but it will depend if that particular store handles products for the cabinets shops etc. If you don’t have any luck there, you should be able to google it and find manufacturers in your area. Pot life is very limited for both conversion varnish or post catalyzed lacquer(where you add the catalyst yourself). A pre-catalyzed lacquer is easy to work with and it comes already mixed. Just clean your gun when you’re done spraying for the day. I use M.L.Campbell pre-catalyzed lacquer and have had great results with it. You can get it in white (satin or gloss) and you can use a clear coat over that. Wherever you can find your white and clear coat, they should have glazes also.

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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#5 posted 07-25-2010 04:40 AM

Thanks.

I was looking at the Kemvar glazes at S-W website. Looks like they are made for use with the CV and cat’d lacquer products.

I’ll give the local store a call on Monday. Looks like they are only open during banking/DMV hours here.

-- Amateur woodworker, professional mess-maker.

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#6 posted 07-26-2010 03:40 PM

Well, no luck at S-W. Seems they only have house paint and automotive in this area. They kept sending me to Richmond for the conversion/pre-cat products.

Other brands are similarly out of luck—always Richmond or farther. I was hoping for a local source in case I had problems or needed extra. Woodcraft had some stuff, but just the clear—needed to paint the cabs with something else underneath and then clear coat.

I’ll keep looking. Any other good brands or online dealers that people recommend?

-- Amateur woodworker, professional mess-maker.

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#7 posted 07-27-2010 02:23 AM

Anthony, Do you have any production cabinet shops or furniture makers in your local area? They should be using pre-catalyzed lacquers or conversion varnishes. They should be able to tell you where you can order it.

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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#8 posted 07-27-2010 01:54 PM

I’m sure we do, but all I’ve seen so far are the one-off cabinet places (store fronts that sell custom cabinets). I have not found an artisans shop yet, but there has to be one around here (northern Virginia).

I’ll keep looking and there are a couple more S-W stores I can call.

-- Amateur woodworker, professional mess-maker.

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#9 posted 07-27-2010 02:36 PM

I live in a smaller town, my local SW doesn’t carry any of the advanced coatings. They will have any product they sell mixed and sent to the local store, if they didn’t give you this option they are being lazy or are uneducated about their products. Call the store and ask for the contact info for their local chemical coatings rep.

I use all WB and their kem-aqua brand is nice. They mix it in a city about 85 miles away and ship it in. This is a free service but takes a few working days to get it.

-- Doubt kills more dreams than failure.

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#10 posted 08-03-2010 03:23 PM

I will call the Richmond store, but so far that’s it for me. 100 miles away, so no extra quarts or color touch-ups without hassle. Another thing that worries me is that the products I need are only available in 5 gallon quantities. Based on their coverage, that would be 3 1/2 gallons more than I need. I’m only painting the face frames and drawer fronts—carcasses are prefinished.

If that’s the case, I may try a test board of milk paint, glaze coat, and then conversion varnish as a top coat only (and not worry about the pigment). At least then I won’t mind having 5 gallons of top coat for later projects. Not sure how many pure white projects I’ll do other than this one.

Apparently people in northern Virginia only paint or poly their projects! All the cabinet stores I called were just fronts for shops elsewhere. Ugh, I never thought finding a finish to use would be the hardest part.

-- Amateur woodworker, professional mess-maker.

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#11 posted 08-03-2010 07:03 PM

Okay, I decided to call up the Richmond SW dealer.

They are willing to cut the conversion varnish to 1Gal cans (which is really good). They also have biweekly shipments to my area (aware that there are no other dealers around here). Still looking at $500 to do the whole kitchen, though. Yikes.

I’m going to finish up a few more frames to where I’m ready to spray.

Thanks again for all the help.

-- Amateur woodworker, professional mess-maker.

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