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Alexandre

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07-20-2010 03:25 PM

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Hello to all!!

I am about to by my very first cabinet saw. But there seems to be be to much choices. I am looking at Grizzly G1023RLX, the Steel City 35618 and the Laguna MTS0200-0180#
I have about 2000$ to spend Has anyone worked with these or know these brands? Any other advices?

thanks to all

Alexandre

-- Alexandre, Montréal, Québec


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CharlieM1958

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#1 posted 07-20-2010 03:39 PM

I would stay away from the Laguna simply because of some bad customer service stories I’ve heard. Between the Grizzly and the Steel City, I noticed that the Grizzly is considerably heavier, which I would take as a sign of solid construction.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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DrDirt

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#2 posted 07-20-2010 03:55 PM

Your price point is right in the thick of things, I agree with Charlie, there are a lot of Grizzly supporters, Laguna horror stories…not so much on the Steel City.
One point on Steel City, I am not a fan of the granite tops, because I like the Magnetic jigs.
I would have thought the General would be on your list since you aren’t stuck with importing. There is no Grizzly distributor in Canada, Others from the North will chime in I’m sure, but I heard it was a real challenge to get items into Canada.

Dave

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison

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SnowyRiver

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#3 posted 07-20-2010 04:03 PM

As I tell everyone, dont discount looking at Ebay and Craig’s list. You can find the top brands new and used on there for much less than your local retailer. There are many great deals on those sites. I personally am a Powermatic fan.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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knotscott

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#4 posted 07-20-2010 05:22 PM

The Laguna Platinum saw is nearly identical to the Grizzly G0691 to Papa Griz, both come from the same factory with identical components. I’ve read more than my fair share of horror stories about Laguna service, but haven’t ever dealt with them personally. Steel City has some nice saws but questions about their solvency would be a concern to me. The G1023RLX isn’t shipping yet AFAIK, but appears to have the right stuff.

The General 650 is made in your home town and is one nice saw, though it might be a bit over budget.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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big_wood

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#5 posted 07-20-2010 11:28 PM

There is no Grizzly distributor in Canada, Others from the North will chime in I’m sure, but I heard it was a real challenge to get items into Canada. – Dave

Dave – That used to be the case. It’s changed lately. I helped a neighbour order up an 8” jointer. It took a couple of weeks (2-3 weeks as I recall) He only had to pay shipping, taxes, duty. Grizzly was recently advertizing free brokerage for their Canadian customers. I still prefer driving down (a little over an hour each way, picking it up and driving it up but not everyone lives so close to the border.

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hokieman

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#6 posted 07-21-2010 02:28 AM

I have the 3 hp Steel City cabinet saw with the 52 inch rails just like you pictured. I really like mine. I had some problems early on with the switch and SC customer service was superb. No problems since then. Make sure you get the riving knife and if you don’t then use the splitter. I experienced kickback for the first time with this saw and the result with the 3 hp motor is quite impressive (and scary). The only negative I have heard about SC is there were rumors about them going out of buisness. You might want to probe around on that one a bit cuz if they go under then that 5 year warranty doesn’t mean much.

All the posts on Lumberjocks is very positive on Grizzly products. I agree with others on Laguna. You can find a ton of negative posts on Laguna.

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jusfine

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#7 posted 07-21-2010 05:36 AM

Ok, I have to give something positive to Laguna.

I have their 16HD bandsaw, and have had great customer service from all of the sales reps. My machine was shipped on time and came with everything I ordered, easy to assemble, etc.

I have also ordered a tilting head mortise machine from them, and expect it by end of the month.
My neighbour has an older 16” bandsaw of theirs (maybe 8-9 years), and it has performed very well for him.

Having said all of that in their defense, I don’t have any experience with their tablesaws personally.

Most of my equipment is General, and I would recommend the General 350, which would be in the price range. The 650 I have seen is a commercial model, usually 5 HP and 3 phase, and quite a bit higher in price.

Go Canadian, Go Green! :)

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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DrDirt

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#8 posted 07-21-2010 07:22 PM

Big Wood – glad to hear that situation is improved. I had always seen discussions of people doing what you did and arranging a border pick-up, because the freight companies charged an arm and a leg to handle the duties and such.
I like Waynes comment about looking used, there are tons of shops closing and being liquidated at auction. So there is a lot of old iron around. I have always bought new…while I understand the value of old iron, I really enjoy the Yellow Freight guy offloading a shiney toy!
My only real advice to Alexander on the Table Saw is make sure it is everything you want, because you will likely have it forever, like choosing a wife, that ‘little’ flaw gets more annoying every time you use it.

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison

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gradyman

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#9 posted 02-08-2011 12:59 AM

Alexandre,

While I don’t own any of the saws you are considering I have taken a good look at the manual for the Grizzly g1023rlx. I own an Industrial Saw Stop and bought it primarily for reasons other than the blade brake feature. It was one of the few saws with a direct dust collection tray under the blade, and at the time one of the few saws with a true riving knife. The Grizzly is a newly designed saw and includes these features and after studying the exploded diagram in the manual, I believe this will be a very good saw at a great price. It uses a vertical height adjusting mechanism on gibbed ways and also uses a serpentine belt (like the Saw Stop) that should run smoother than the typical 3 v-belt drive. (I did all this background checking for a friend who is also in the market for a table saw). Grizzly has another saw (G0691) that is just the typical copy of the old unisaw—a good design in its day but I truly believe the new design is superior.

Good luck in you decision.

gradyman

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HarleySoftailDeuce

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#10 posted 03-01-2011 06:05 AM

I’ve also decided on the 1023RLX…and the sale starts tomorrow (March 1st) 10% off. The saw looks solid, with the new dust shroud around the blade to eliminate most of the waste that would come from the top.
I don’t use the shield…as it’s in the way.
I was also looking at the Powermatic PM2000 for 2800., but the price was just a bit more I wish to pay.
Good luck on your buy!
Paul

-- Paul, Bristol,Rhode Island

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DMX512

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#11 posted 03-01-2011 01:22 PM

HarleySoftail, What sale….At Grizzly???

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Howie

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#12 posted 03-01-2011 02:31 PM

Woodworkers Journal had a 10% off(Grizzly) coupon attachment starting March 1.

Big_Wood, I’m glad I don’t live just an hour away from Grizzly….I couldn’t afford it!

Good luck on your saw search Alexandre. I have a ridgid 3650 that I really like but my next one will be a Grizz.

-- Life is good.

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DMX512

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#13 posted 03-01-2011 03:10 PM

Anyone have the Woodworkers Journal coupon handy?? er…secret code

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gillyd

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#14 posted 03-01-2011 03:11 PM

lol I ordered my saw 3 days ago and now they are posting a 10% coupon?

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dpjeansonne

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#15 posted 03-05-2011 07:00 PM

After researching and agonizing over several saws, I bought the G1023RL a month ago—- just missed the 10% sale! This is a replacement for a Craftsman hybrid table saw.
The saw is awesome. The arbor and table was dead on, no adustment needed. The table was flat but the wings needed some shims to align. The saw is very smooth but more noisy than I expected. The riving knife is great and one feature I really looked for. I wanted the Powermatic but just couldn’t bring myself to forkout an additional $1500+. The customer base is large with many many satisfied with the 1023sl. The Griz customer service is also very good as another positive point.
As a con, I don’t see why Griz doesn’t supply a right table laminated extension beyond the cast iron wing. You have to fabricate your own.

Also, the SF Classic fence is good and solid but I still prefer the Biesemeyer—just personal with me.

I questioned Griz about why have both 1023 (made in Tiawan) and 690 (made in China) since they seem to be similiar and fit the same market of users. They said they have no plans to drop one product but I didn’t expect them to say anyway. I just believe that the 1023 has been upgraded and they plan to push this saw since many many customers like this saw.

-- Cajun Don, Louisiana

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