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Forum topic by Dchip posted 07-15-2010 03:55 PM 2427 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Dchip

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07-15-2010 03:55 PM

I have a bottom of the line Ryobi BTS10 table saw (http://www.amazon.com/Ryobi-BTS10S-inch-Portable-Table/dp/B001OOJLCY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1279201678&sr=8-1) I picked up for $100 that has served me alright, though it is far from a quality machine. I’m looking to upgrade, but since I live in an apt. I will still be needing a compact benchtop model. The Jet JBTS-10BT-3 (http://www.amazon.com/JET-708315BTC-JBTS-10BT-3-Benchtop-Table/dp/B000CFH3A8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1279201523&sr=1-1) has caught my eye because of the price tag (I’ve seen it for $240) and because it is belt-driven, making it quieter with less vibration. It is also heavier and can handle some level of dado stack. I’ve seen mixed reviews on this saw, though I think most of the bad ones are from people with unrealistic expectations from a $240 benchtop TS. My question is, is this upgrade worth roughly $200 (I figure I can get a couple bucks for the ryobi), or will I end up with another sub-par machine. My expectations aren’t too high, again coming from the absolute bottom of the barrel, and it will be at least a year or two before I can even consider upgrading to a contractor’s or hybrid saw. I also don’t want to spend $500+ on a bench top. All input is appreciated, especially if you’ve had experience with one or both saws. Thanks.

-- Dan Chiappetta, NYC, http://www.9x7woodworks.com


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PurpLev

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#1 posted 07-15-2010 04:19 PM

no. it’s not worth the upgrade.

OK, lets be fair – the Jet is better than the ryobi, BUT:
1. Still light weight when handling larger boards/panels
2. Still uses Aluminum for the table top – not as precisely machined as CI/Granite, and can easily bow/twist/cup
3. Still uses non-standard miter slots – no availability for 3rd party jigs, unless custom ordered or custom shop built
4. Still underpowered compared to contractor/hybrids

If you have the space for a hybrid/contractor – I would say wait for it. the precision, machining, quality, weight, power, and over all performance will definitely make a huge difference – a difference that you just won’t see with this upgrade to the mobile Jet – which in my book makes this $200 venture unworthy.

if you’re tight on budget – I would look at craigslist for a used Delta contractor. they have the weight, power, and machined top to perform greatly. although if you can save up – I’d go for a more modern hybrid with a riving knive for safety reasons, and better dust control.

PS – as for the two saws you refer to – I’ve had experience with both.

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Viktor

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#2 posted 07-15-2010 06:09 PM

I agree with PurpLev. I have JBTS-10BT-3. It is a nice saw for the money (I’ve written a review on it here on LJ 6 month ago), but you won’t gain much by upgrading from BTS10.
Have you looked at PORTER-CABLE 10” Jobsite Table Saw at Lowes? Very nice, standard slots, solid table and fence, dust collection shroud, $299. It is portable, but still much larger than what you have.

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Dchip

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#3 posted 07-15-2010 06:37 PM

Thanks for the input guys.

Regarding the contractor or hybrids, they are out of the question for the next year or two at least, not due to finances but space (and most likely lease) issues. Non-standard miter’s are not a big concern, as I enjoy homemade jig making.

One of the biggest draws was the belt-drive, am I wrong in thinking this will make a significant difference (mostly in noise and accuracy)? I also have a strong desire for something that can handle a dado stack, even if it’s just a 6’’ stack at 1/2’’ width.

I actually have seen the Porter Cable, and was quite interested, though even that may be a bit big for the space I’m working with. Would this be a significantly more powerful saw?

-- Dan Chiappetta, NYC, http://www.9x7woodworks.com

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ChrisCarr

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#4 posted 07-15-2010 08:36 PM

The motor is what makes the noise, If you want a quieter motor you need an induction motor which means a contractor saw or better. If its belt driven it will decrease VIBRATION but no NOT really the noise.

If you are tight on space try a festool Plunge saw, it provides cuts that rival cabinet saws, seriously! (you can always build a work bench to use it on). It is $500 minimum BUT you may not want another TS down if you have it!.

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Viktor

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#5 posted 07-15-2010 08:39 PM

It’s hard to compare noise, JBTS-10BT-3 is the only portable saw I’ve owned and it was a while since the last time I used cabinet saw. However I don’t think it’s noisy, probably quieter than my PC corded drill. It certainly does not have that roaring motorcycle kind of noise that hand held circular saws have.
I also bought it for compactness. I do have space and most people in my situation would get bunch of stand alone tools. I just don’t like clutter and accumulating junk and want to be able to tuck everything away neatly.
JBTS-10BT-3 can handle a dado.
Both JET and PC have motors rated 15 Amp. This implies they have the same power, although strictly speaking Amps of a motor is not directly related to power output (i.e. motors with the same peak Amps may have different hp. Your BTS10 is probably less powerful (check it).

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Viktor

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#6 posted 07-15-2010 08:58 PM

I agree Chris. Most of the noise is created by brushes of the motor, that’s why induction motor is so much quieter. However, vibrating blade and body of the saw itself also produce some noise. After all sound is vibration.
Great idea on plunge saw. I was considering getting a high quality hand-held saw instead of cheap table saw. You could mount it under a table and use for tenon cutting kind of work. You could build a small table to be used for either saw and router. Festool has 8.25” blade and the depth of cuts is actually greater than many table saws.

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spclPatrolGroup

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#7 posted 07-15-2010 09:45 PM

I used to own that saw, and I hated it, ended up selling it to the pawn shop for next to nothing. If you must go for a portible I would save your pennies, and look for a better model.

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ChrisCarr

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#8 posted 07-15-2010 11:13 PM

Another option you may be interested in is a used radial Arm saw, they can be big however but can be placed next to a wall. Radial Arm saws can rip and crosscut but often lack the accuracy of contractor saws or cabinets.

Also if you want LESS Noise a Festool uses brushLESS motors so they are much quieter than a normal universal motor.

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#9 posted 07-16-2010 10:59 AM

Dan:

About 6 Months ago I bought the 10” Ridgid R4516 for $369CDN at Home Depot. Picture is at initial set up. I have a Small Shop in my Basement and want to keep it that way.

As others have said it is noisier than a Saw with an Induction Motor. To eliminate some of the Vibration I mounted it on the Old Metal Leg Stand. The 3/4” Fir Ply is seperated from the Stand by 1/2” Thick x 2” Dia. Neoprene Washers. The saw base also has Extra 1/2” Rubber Pads where the Saw Feet meet the Fir Ply.

I’ve used it a Lot since the Pics where taken and am VERY Happy with it. Minimal Adjustment required and is easy to do. Has a Riving Knife, Splitter, Guard, Anti Kickback Pawls etc. Fence is accurate and when Table is extended I can Rip a Full 4 Foot Wide Sheet at 2 Feet. Dado Blade works just fine. Guess that’s it.

Rick

Ridgid R4516 403x421

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iamwelty

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#10 posted 07-16-2010 01:07 PM

+1 on what Rick said. Life time warranty too!!

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sh2005

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#11 posted 07-16-2010 03:39 PM

Dan,
Since you live in an apt and space is an issue, an alternative to table saws maybe is track saw, sold by Dewalt, Festool or Makita. I don’t own any one of these, but I have read good things about these saws. You will find a lot of users for whom track saw is the primary saw, instead of a table saw. You can buy/build a knock-down table for it and with proper jigs, you should be able to do precision rip and cross cuts. If you work with sheet goods, you will have much more capacity than the benchtop saws. These saws also will offer better dust collection than the bench top table saws.

Since I haven’t used these saws, I can’t speak for their noise level. I would imagine it won’t be more than what you already have with the BTS10. I used to have a benchtop saw and then I replaced it with a hybrid one. The noise level is lower, but it still is loud for where I use it.

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Dchip

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#12 posted 07-16-2010 09:08 PM

Thanks again everyone for the advise.

Track saws look nice, but their price tag is a bit much and they seem a little difficult for repeatable cuts. Plus I really do enjoy having the TS as the center of the work shop, even if it’s a compact one. I’ve actually looked into the Ridgid portables and really like the r4516 and r4510. Now I just gotta try and find an HD coupon.

-- Dan Chiappetta, NYC, http://www.9x7woodworks.com

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