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Alexdi

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11-04-2016 05:11 AM

There’s a guy near me selling a R4512, purchased last year, that he apparently assembled and never used. It’s still under Ridgid’s 3YR warranty, but past the point where it could be exchanged at THD or registered for Ridgid’s lifetime service agreement.

I’m interested in it, but I’ve read a lot about alignment problems with this model. What (and perhaps how) should I test with this saw to ensure I don’t buy a lemon? Thanks for any thoughts.


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#1 posted 11-04-2016 08:14 AM

I always test things I buy from others. With that being said… I LOVE my R4512. I wish I would have remembered to register it. I’ll have to see if it’s too late. Anyway, everything was great out of the box. Most of them now are good to go, from what I understand it was earlier in the first shipments of saws going out that had the issues. Totally give this guys saw the good look over and don’t buy anything that you aren’t comfortable with. My rule of thumb is if they don’t want ME to take off the guards, etc to take a look, Im not buying it. There’s always a reason to be wary if folks don’t want you checking under the hood so to speak.

Good luck!&

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#2 posted 11-04-2016 11:08 AM

What’s the asking price? It’s worth checking to see if the warranty is transferable to a new owner. You’ll also want to raise and lower the blade and watch the to see if the back end of the blade shifts back and forth….that’d be a show stopper for me.

IIRC, a new one is ~ $550. If it’s truly still under warranty, and doesn’t have the alignment issue, it’d be worth $400-$450 to me. If it’s no longer covered under warranty, and doesn’t have alignment problems, I’d offer $300-$375.

I’d also be looking at the Delta 36-725, and for good used saws in my area.

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#3 posted 11-04-2016 11:20 AM

I use the Rigid TS 3650 which was the previous iteration of the 4512… Never used a 4512, but I’m never selling my 3650. I love this saw and I’ve pushed it to its limits. I will likely upgrade to a cabinet saw eventually, but even if I do, I’m keeping my 3650. It’s a fantastic saw. If the 4512 is anything like it, I’d advise you to grab it.

*slightly off topic here:
A few months ago I was in a Wood Craft grabbing a new belt for it and mentioned to the salesman what saw I was using. He turned his nose up and wrenched his face and insisted that they don’t carry stuff for “big box store saws”... I laughed at him and pointed to a myriad of inserts hanging just behind the guy that read “Rigid”... Then he made some off hand comment about buying a real saw one day etc… (guy was a real dick)... But I stood my ground and defended the saw. He told me that there was no way I could churn out anything worth a damn on a saw like that, so I busted out my phone and started showing him pictures of stuff… I eventually just asked the guy if he’d ever used a Rigid saw and he admitted he hadn’t.. I wish I could say I made a believer out of him, but instead I just had to endure a lecture about how any self respecting craftsman would purchase a Sawstop “especially if he loves his family” .... Guy was a super a-hole.

Anyway, test out the rigid, make sure it’s got a decent blade on it when you do.

The one thing I hate about it is the writhing knife set up, but I think they may have fixed some of that with the 4512…not sure…

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Alexdi

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#4 posted 11-04-2016 03:25 PM

Thanks guys. The new one is $550, or $500 with a Lowes coupon (and potentially 450 with a Harbor Freight coupon). The guy wants $450 for this one (stock, no other pieces). I think it’s probably worth $350, but if he’s game, I want to show up with the right gauges to verify it’s in spec.

Cathie, same thought here. I’ve yet to meet a seller who’s been reluctant to do stuff like that.

Uncanny, that guy sounds like a cretin. I’ve seen beautiful stuff from Ryobi’s ancient BT-series and plenty of Craftsman contractor saws besides.

Knot, is there any reason to opt for that Delta over the Ridgid? It costs a bit more.

On a unrelated note, I did have a ‘69 Unisaw in the past. I bought it as a project and restored it back in 2011, but moved away from the house with the space to use it. It’s now in a friend’s cabinet shop, and I’m back in a house with a big garage. While I’m now looking for safety features that weren’t available on that model, I’ve got good memories of booting it up on 1ph/220V for the first time. Just an epic machine. May have a soft spot for Delta.

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#5 posted 11-04-2016 04:07 PM

$450 is too much for that saw, used. I think #300 – $350 is definitely a more realistic used price, especially if he doesn’t have extras, i.e. sled, jigs, fence upgrade etc.

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#6 posted 11-04-2016 04:11 PM


I d also be looking at the Delta 36-725, and for good used saws in my area.

- knotscott

This thing seems to be a unicorn in some areas. I recently saw a couple in a local lowes, but prior to that they wouldn’t even order one in, and now they are all out of stock again.

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#7 posted 11-04-2016 04:23 PM

I am not sure about Ridgid policy on the issue but warranties on small goods are usually non transferrable. So skip all craigslist adds that claim ’ still under warranty’.

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#8 posted 11-04-2016 05:52 PM


...Knot, is there any reason to opt for that Delta over the Ridgid? It costs a bit more…

- Alexdi

The Delta doesn’t have a history of an alignment issue, and I think the Delta fence is better. Otherwise, it’s pretty subjective.

Since the 3650 was mentioned, I think it’s worth noting that the biggest similarities with the R4512 are the Herculift, color, size, and name plate….two different designs from different manufacturers. The 3650 had solid cast iron wings and a better fence. The 3650 was/is a pretty decent saw, but has little bearing on the R4512’s worthiness.

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#9 posted 11-04-2016 06:29 PM

It’s threads like this where I kind of miss Ranting Rich and all of his various incarnations :)

Cheers,
Brad

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#10 posted 11-04-2016 08:43 PM



I use the Rigid TS 3650 which was the previous iteration of the 4512… Never used a 4512, but I m never selling my 3650. I love this saw and I ve pushed it to its limits. I will likely upgrade to a cabinet saw eventually, but even if I do, I m keeping my 3650. It s a fantastic saw. If the 4512 is anything like it, I d advise you to grab it.

*slightly off topic here:
A few months ago I was in a Wood Craft grabbing a new belt for it and mentioned to the salesman what saw I was using. He turned his nose up and wrenched his face and insisted that they don t carry stuff for “big box store saws”... I laughed at him and pointed to a myriad of inserts hanging just behind the guy that read “Rigid”... Then he made some off hand comment about buying a real saw one day etc… (guy was a real dick)... But I stood my ground and defended the saw. He told me that there was no way I could churn out anything worth a damn on a saw like that, so I busted out my phone and started showing him pictures of stuff… I eventually just asked the guy if he d ever used a Rigid saw and he admitted he hadn t.. I wish I could say I made a believer out of him, but instead I just had to endure a lecture about how any self respecting craftsman would purchase a Sawstop “especially if he loves his family” .... Guy was a super a-hole.

Anyway, test out the rigid, make sure it s got a decent blade on it when you do.

The one thing I hate about it is the writhing knife set up, but I think they may have fixed some of that with the 4512…not sure…

- UncannyValleyWoods

One of the reasons that I only go into the local WoodCraft here to look, and then buy the same product somewhere else(usually online). I, too, had a similar run-in with one of their salespeople about not owning a “proper” saw.

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#11 posted 11-05-2016 02:21 AM


Since the 3650 was mentioned, I think it s worth noting that the biggest similarities with the R4512 are the Herculift, color, size, and name plate….two different designs from different manufacturers. The 3650 had solid cast iron wings and a better fence. The 3650 was/is a pretty decent saw, but has little bearing on the R4512 s worthiness.

- knotscott

Good to know. I’ve only ever used the 3650 and not the 4512. I was unaware of all the differences. The very fact that the 4512 doesn’t have a cast iron table, as you said, is enough info for me to advise the OP away from it. I did not know that was the case.

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#12 posted 11-05-2016 04:54 AM

Come on. The alignment problem doesn’t come and go, it’s a design flaw—they ALL have it. Ridgid had to manufacturer a replacement piece to fix it. It’s not that some saws have it and some don’t; it’s that some people realize, some don’t.

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#13 posted 11-05-2016 05:28 AM



It s threads like this where I kind of miss Ranting Rich and all of his various incarnations :)

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

He’s still on my buddy list :) I’m holding him a spot for that cold day in hell when they let him back.

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Alexdi

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#14 posted 11-05-2016 08:18 AM

I’m getting the sensation the Delta is better for the money, though I’d have to buy it new. $350 isn’t so far from $500ish after a coupon.

A few alternatives on CL—a Powermatic 64/extended table/overhead dust collection guard/mobile base for $750, and a refurbished Unisaw/extended table/mobile base for $850. The Powermatic appears to have a riving knife. The Unisaw, not so much.

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#15 posted 11-05-2016 10:13 AM


I m getting the sensation the Delta is better for the money, though I d have to buy it new. $350 isn t so far from $500ish after a coupon.

A few alternatives on CL—a Powermatic 64/extended table/overhead dust collection guard/mobile base for $750, and a refurbished Unisaw/extended table/mobile base for $850. The Powermatic appears to have a riving knife. The Unisaw, not so much.

- Alexdi

If the PM64 has a true riving knife, it’s a newer PM64”B” hybrid style contractor saw with the motor moved inside and cabinet mounted trunnions….prolly less than 5 years old. If it’s truly a PM64B, it’s a decent buy if in good shape. If it has a standard splitter, it’s PM64”A” if has solid cast iron wings, or is a PM64”S” if it has steel wings and a cheaper fence. If it turns out to be a PM64A it’s on the expensive side for what it is (a nice older style contractor saw), though the DC and mobile base help the value.

PM64B:

PM64A:

PM64S:

The Unisaw is in a different league. Depending on the fence and motor, $850 could be a really good buy.

Got any pics?

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