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Forum topic by KelleyCrafts posted 11-01-2016 09:29 PM 684 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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KelleyCrafts

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11-01-2016 09:29 PM

Hey guys/gals, I might have to resort to the owwm forums but thought I would check here first.

These two items are going up for auction this month in my state. I was curious what people knew about them. The table saw looks like it has the old fence but I have a besy fence on my contractor saw if this one is inferior. Also how can I tell if it’s 3 phase or do I need to see it in person first? The lathe is bigger than I need but if the price is right I would love to have that in the shop. Any experience/input would be appreciated. Also, what do you think the max I should go on these? These are the only images I have of them until auction day.

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#1 posted 11-01-2016 09:33 PM

Looks like a PM66 and a PM90. They came with both single and three phase motors, so you will have to look. The fence is a jet-lock type clone that isn’t as nice as a Biesemeyer.

Cheers,
Brad

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#2 posted 11-01-2016 09:39 PM

Figured it was a PM 66 but had no idea on the lathe. Mine isn’t anywhere near that size. I’ll do research. Hoping they are 3 phase as it might scare some away or make them cheaper. I’ll still need a VFD myself if that’s the case.

Thanks for the knowledge.

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#3 posted 11-01-2016 11:01 PM

Doing some research, if that’s the 90 and not 45 then I will probably pass on it. 1.5 X 8 threads and my lathe can already do 14”. If it’s cheap enough I might and then look to build an outboard tool rest but otherwise I’ll probably stick to mine. I could use a bed extension for mine though….we will see how it goes.

I’m more interested in upgrading my ages old horrible Rockwell contractor table saw. Hopefully the PM 66 doesn’t fetch too much.

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#4 posted 11-01-2016 11:05 PM

This is a PM45 – basically the same specs, but a little less weight, a 1”x8tpi spindle and a built-in index mechanism:

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#5 posted 11-02-2016 06:14 AM

Thanks Brad. The one I posted definitely looks a little more heavy duty. Kind of a bummer. If it goes for like $100 I might still buy it. The auction is kind of in the middle of nowhere at an estate sale so I’m hoping not many show up. I mainly want the saw. My current saw has horrible dust collection (contractor saw) and doesn’t tilt in my preferred direction. I’ll be driving an hour and a half to get to this place. It’s a farm. They say they will be selling 1000’s of board feet of walnut, oak, and cherry too so if that goes reasonably priced I’m hoping to get some walnut in the truck too.

It’s a week from Saturday. Hope I get a tool gloat post.

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#6 posted 11-03-2016 11:17 PM

You’re crazy to pass up the Powermatic 90 – especially if its a 3 phase. That lathe was produced from 1955 to 1997 and was the staple of many school shops because of its durability. The list price in 1997 was over $4,000. And contrary to popular belief, the 1 1/2×8 thread is not uncommon as Hurricane, Oneway, and VicMarc all make chucks to fit it. The lathe you’re looking at was probably made sometime between 1980 and 1997 and usually shipped with a 1 hp 3 phase motor. It features a reeves drive that allows you to change speeds mechanically by moving the speed dial. A VFD can be added for under $200 that will allow you to run it on standard 240v and control the speed of the motor from zero to 1750 RPM. The combination of a reeves drive and VFD allows you to turn anything from pens to large bowls. I’ve refurbished four Powermatic 90’s and have a 1980 lathe for everyday use. I paid $415 for mine at a school auction and customized it by adding 3” riser blocks to give it 18” of swing. The price of this lathe is going up on Ebay. I bought my first one about 10 years ago on Ebay for $340. Now they’re going for $1,200 to $1,500.

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#7 posted 11-03-2016 11:22 PM

You’re crazy to pass up the Powermatic 90 – especially if its a 3 phase. That lathe was produced from 1955 to 1997 and was the staple of many school shops because of its durability. The list price in 1997 was over $4,000. And contrary to popular belief, the 1 1/2×8 thread is not uncommon as Hurricane, Oneway, and VicMarc all make chucks to fit it. The lathe you’re looking at was probably made sometime between 1980 and 1997 and usually shipped with a 1 hp 3 phase motor. It features a reeves drive that allows you to change speeds mechanically by moving the speed dial. A VFD can be added for under $200 that will allow you to run it on standard 240v and control the speed of the motor from zero to 1750 RPM. The combination of a reeves drive and VFD allows you to turn anything from pens to large bowls. I’ve refurbished four Powermatic 90’s and have a 1980 lathe for everyday use. I paid $415 for mine at a school auction and customized it by adding 3” riser blocks to give it 18” of swing. The price of this lathe is going up on Ebay. I bought my first one about 10 years ago on Ebay for $340. Now they’re going for $1,200 to $1,500.

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#8 posted 11-03-2016 11:26 PM

Well, if it’s cheap enough I might but my current lathe has a 14” swing with adjustable speed from 250-3500 rpm.

Distance between centers is 17” on mine without an extension but could add one relatively cheap.

The point is mine does almost what the 90 does without taking as much space. I never said I would fully pass. I’ll be dragging a trailer with me for sure. We will see how much it goes for and if I get a shot at it.

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#9 posted 11-03-2016 11:42 PM

Space is an obvious consideration. The Powermatic 45 and Powermatic 90 have about the same footprint but the 90 is beefier. The 45 usually came with a 3/4 hp motor but also has an index. The PM90 in the picture has the motor mounted in the cabinet with a jackshaft that can be configured with various pulley combinations. I have mine set up so the effective turning speed range is 200 – 4000 RPM. I can go even slower for sanding. If you end up buying the lathe, I posted a thread at OWWM.org on how to disassemble it for easy transport. Good luck at the auction.

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#10 posted 11-10-2016 10:14 PM

Auction was supposed to be Saturday, would have been my first but it’s been postponed. Kind of bummed. Would have liked the chance to replace my table saw and enjoy an auction experience.

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