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Forum topic by tsbot posted 10-30-2016 04:09 AM 2881 views 0 times favorited 34 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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10-30-2016 04:09 AM

I’ve read and re-read then re-read some more. I’m interested in my first table saw (you all saw that coming huh!). I’ve been searching craigslist for a bit – but most are not in the shape I’d like and don’t have some of the safety features I want.

I am super new to saws and wood working. Wan’t to start building some smaller items, like pullout shelves for our pantry (get the wife on board with the purchase), maybe a night stand or two and things like that. As I get better I can move to the more detailed stuff, but mainly hobby and homeowner things.

I’ve been driving myself crazy with research and was originally going to get the Ridgid 4512, but I am the type that buys once and cries once – I like good gear. I have a bay of my 2 1/2 car garage dedicated to my workspace. I don’t have 220 and don’t think I’ll get it, nor need it. BUDGET IS $1500, pretty firm since I’ve been looking at $600 big box store saws.

I think I’ve narrowed it down to these. And from previous post I’ve read the Grizzly G0771 is on sale right now. In no particular order:

1. Grizzly G0771
2. Grizzly G0715p – Not sure differences with 0771
3. Jet 708492K JPS-10TS 30”
4. Jet Proshop 708494K JPS-10TS, Cast Iron
5. Sawstop Jobsite

Not sure if I’m splitting hairs because my skill is low at this point, but as with guitars, kayaks, mountain bikes etc – you grow into them and if you get a good one to start – it makes you want to use it more!

I appreciate reply’s and feedback – can’t wait to get to work!!


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#1 posted 10-30-2016 05:08 AM

I use the G0715P and like it a lot. It is a heavier duty saw than the G0771P. Just look at the difference in shipping weight. If you get the Jet, I recommend you spend a little more and to get the cast iron wings. The Sawstop jobsite saw is exactly that – a light weight portable saw. If you are very concerned about safety, it may be worth buying it anyway but it is not in the same size, power and performance class as your other choices. If you could raise just a little more money, the Sawstop contractor saw is a much more capable saw.

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#2 posted 10-30-2016 05:34 AM

There is big difference between G0771 and G0715.
G0715P feels like a real saw while G0771 in comparison feels like a toy. However I still would skip both unless money is an issue. Both are not especially accurate. You very likely grow out of them pretty soon.
For the price of Jet I would suggest to get G1023RL which is a very excellent saw. Watch Grizzly website, usually they have discounts at this time of the year.
Sawstop jobsite may save you a finger but I consider jobsite saw far more dangerous than stationary saws. I used mine for a few days then in the middle of cutting a 12’ board I had to stop, go to my computer and order something more substantial.

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#3 posted 10-30-2016 11:30 AM

At the $1500 price point, the G1023RL is definitely worth consideration, even if it means installing 220v….that’ll open up a whole new world with a different class of saw. Close to twice the power, much more robust underpinnings, larger smoother operating hand wheels, more mass, better long term reliability, etc., plus it’ll allow you to dictate the feed rate rather than waiting on the saw. 220v is good to have at some point anyway, so if you really want to cry once and can do it yourself, go for it!

Regardless of which saw, solid cast iron wings are almost always preferable over stamped steel. They give a nice solid flat reference surface and add more mass and stability.

Also regardless of which saw you get, setup and blade choice are key variables in the end performance of any saw. Hang onto the stock blade for junk cuts, but get yourself a decent woodworking grade blade or two.

If 220v is absolutely a no go, the G0771 with an aftermarket fence like the Delta T3 might be worth some thought too. It offers easier to reach cabinet mounted trunnions. The T3 adds ~ $190, but you could probably sell the stock fence for $75 to $100 to offset some cost.

I agree with ArtMann about the SS jobsite saw. It’s the safest of the bunch, but is also the least saw….it’s size and weight limitations alone can actually increase the likelihood of some sort of an accident. The contractor saw is at least a full size saw, but really pushes the budget and offers a mediocre stock fence as well as stamped wings, so for a premium price, you’ll give up some of the luxuries for the sake of the safety brake….it’s really closer to $2k with a fence and wing upgrade to make it a nice saw.

The Jet Proshop is a good saw with a good track record. Your paying in part for the longer warranty and dealer markup….if you go this route, be sure to at least buy it from a dealer so you get that support. Mail ordering probably won’t save enough money to make it worth passing up one of the main attractions. As nice of a hybrid as it is, it’s still not in the league of the G1023RL.

Here’s an example of a the guts of a typical hybrid saw:

. Here’s an example of a typical industrial cabinet saw (in this case, the G1023RL):

Good luck, and please keep us updated on your progress, thought process, etc.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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tsbot

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#4 posted 10-30-2016 04:56 PM

Thank you all. Definitely things to consider. To be honest I’m not sure I even have room for 220 in our box. Between a pool, hot tub and pump house (well and whole house reverse osmosis system). We had an electrician come for the hot tub and he had to do some things to get that wired up properly.

So with that said – let’s assume 220 is out of the picture – unless I’m missing something how that gets wired up. I hate electricity and assume it’s always hot and always gonna kill you :)!

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#5 posted 10-30-2016 05:59 PM

I think you should consider a Bosch job site saw the one with the stand.
I had one and a cabinet saw at the same time and it was a good portable saw.
If woodworking becomes a long term hobby then up grade to a cabinet saw.
You will really appreciate and know first hand the difference.

Aj

-- Aj

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#6 posted 10-30-2016 06:09 PM

I used a job site sawith for a while. It was great, but the lack of weight and rigid stand made for some unsafe momends until I learned it’s limits.

If you have dedicated space, those Grizzly would be my recommendation . TheRe are a lot of Jocks out there making great stuff with them.

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#7 posted 10-30-2016 06:32 PM

If you hate electricity your only choice would be steam powered saw but they do not make them anymore. Try craigslist.

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Desert_Woodworker

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#8 posted 10-30-2016 06:41 PM

I am a fan of Laguna – This is the saw that I would purchase http://www.rockler.com/laguna-tools-fusion-series-1-3-4hp-tablesaw-with-36-fence there are plenty of reviews on this link.

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#9 posted 10-30-2016 07:46 PM

You could always run a sub panel if you need more room in your box for 220. Not too hard to do or an electrician could do it. I would look for a used cabinet saw like a delta, jet, powermatic, or grizzly and use the money you save to pay an electrician to run a sub panel box for 220.

-- Grayson - South Carolina

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generic

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#10 posted 10-31-2016 04:52 PM

I started out with a contractor type saw with cast top and thought it was OK. When I was able to upgrade to a cabinet saw, I wondered why I didn’t do it sooner. Between the added power, better fence and added weight, it makes the experience a lot more pleasant.

Like Gaffneylumber states, you should be able to run a sub panel for you woodworking equipment. and having 220 will likely be nice if you get a planer or jointer.

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tsbot

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#11 posted 10-31-2016 08:48 PM

Thanks for the advice. Let’s assume I’m staying with 110 for now – and recommend saws that can convert in the future.

I like the looks and reviews of the Laguna Fusion.

Fusion
Jet Proshop
Grizzly

Thoughts?

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knotscott

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#12 posted 10-31-2016 09:10 PM

Converting any of the hybrids to 220v in the future may help them run a little better if your 110v circuit isn’t quite making the grade, but none of them will hang with a real 3hp+ industrial cabinet saw even if converted to 220v. It’s sort of like switching an S10 pickup to higher octane gas hoping to make it more like a 3500 diesel dualie.

Grizzly usually offers the most bang for the buck. The G0771 fence is functional, but not on par with the better t-square fences. The Jet Proshop and Laguna Fusion have very similar guts under the hood. Take a good look at the fences…the Proshop fence is all steel on a single steel rail, the Fusion has a two-piece aluminum rail which is less desirable IMO. FWIW, I also think Jet’s CS reputation is better.

Fusion fence rail:

The G0771, Fusion, and Proshop all offer cabinet mounted trunnions, but it’s worth pointing out that they’re not the same as the cabinet mounted trunnions on the industrial cabinet saws… the trunnion brackets are much less robust, and they actually mount to the middle of the cabinet strut vs the corners (see the pic of the G1023RL pics above).

Typical hybrid cabinet mounted trunnions />

Some of these differences may seem minor overall, but now’s the time to scrutinize.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#13 posted 10-31-2016 09:50 PM

I have that r4512 in my shop at home. It works well enough for me and at the time it was all my budget would allow.
Couple years down the road, I wish I had bought one of the used cabinet saws off craigslist. I agree that the contractors version of the sawstop saw is to light weight. Also I to would get the cast iron wings.
I think both the grizzly or jet with cast iron wings would be good saws.
As far as your budget, and bang for the buck. Grizzly seems to be making a good product.
I just picked up a grizzly go513×2 bandsaw a few months back, and so far I’m loving it.
About a year ago I bought the jet 16X42evs lathe. It is very nice, but if I had been paying attention to grizzly at the time I woild have saved $500 on there lathe.
Good luck

-- John

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#14 posted 10-31-2016 10:47 PM

Don’t overthink it. They all have pros and cons. Me, I’d look for used cabinet saws on CL, but some folks like new. Make your best choice and pull the trigger.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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tsbot

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#15 posted 11-01-2016 03:13 AM

Thanks – This Jet is on a CL ad about 3 hours away. I live in Southern Oregon so choice is limited for CL and most is a drive. I got him down to $750 at this point, but asked for more pics, still awaiting.

Thoughts?
http://bend.craigslist.org/tls/5841856599.html

Thanks!

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