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Forum topic by jcwalleye posted 07-01-2010 09:04 PM 3955 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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07-01-2010 09:04 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw fence fence upgrade

I’ve got a Ridgid Granite top table saw that’s worked pretty good for me. I’ve had some of the problems with the two piece fence tube others mentioned in other threads. I’m getting more space for the shop and would like to mount a router into the side table of the saw. I think that means I need longer fence rails and a longer tube would let me cut wider stock.

A local hardware store is going out of business and they’ve got a Biesmeyer 78-150 & 78-200 marked at 399.99 less 45%. That’s roughly $220.00. The 78-150 (rails & tube) is listed on Amazon for $235 and the 78-200 (fence) lists for $263. I’ve answered my own question about the value, but still wonder about the mechanics of mounting it.

Can anybody spell out what to expect when trying to mount it? I’ll probably need to drill new wholes in the rails and countersink them at the drill press. I doubt I’ll get the holes exactly lined up and what about shimming everything into alignment. I spent several days aligning the Ridgid fence parts and they were predrilled for the Ridgid. I’m pretty handy, but sometimes I get in over my head. Has anybody mounted different rails to a Ridgid 4250?

Thanks for any assistance

-- Trees, a wonderful gift --Joe--

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#1 posted 07-01-2010 09:07 PM

At that price, buy it and run … don’t walk … out of the store.

I don’t know about the Ridgid TS, but I had no problem at all retro-fitting a clone of the fence you are looking at on my Jet 708100.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#2 posted 07-01-2010 09:19 PM

buy 2- I’ll send you a check (seriously)!

As for the mechanics- since you have the granite top and can’t drill it- you’ll have to drill the RAILS instead.

just clamp your existing rails to the Bies. rails, and use it as a drilling jig to drill the Bies. rails in the exact locations for the granite top.

bolt, and you’re back in business.

thats a hell of a deal… wish I could find something like that around here.

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#3 posted 07-01-2010 09:36 PM

I installed the same fence on my R4511 several months ago. It has made a world of difference I think. As PurpLev said, you cant drill into the granite so drill into the rails. I used the old brakets as a template and just clamped them to the new Biesemeyer angle brackets for a guide. It worked great.

I also shifted the guide tube over to the right about 10” to give me 40” of cut capacity to the right. You may not need/want to do this if you get the longer rails.

I’ve got a few pictures, but can’t figure out how to post them…

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#4 posted 07-01-2010 10:29 PM

The only easier option is to purchase a Steel City 35676, they are not readily available and the one location (toolking) is pricing at $429.

I just went through a partial upgrade to mount a router table. Also being concerned about drilling and countersinking steel I ended up purchasing the front and rear angle irons for the Craftsman 22126. Even though they lined up with factory holes I ended up having to tap the two piece rail, craft a new angle iron for the passive hook and run an under extension on the rear iron to support the router table. Taken the opportunity to upgrade to a Biese and only having to drill/sink 8 holes I wouldn’t walk, I’d run to that hardware store.

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#5 posted 07-01-2010 10:42 PM

Sounds like a nice upgrade, I wouldn’t see any problem mounting. I recently put a Incra TS-LS system on my 4511 with a router table mounted to it and it’s wonderful.

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#6 posted 07-02-2010 03:39 AM

Thanks guys, for all the advise. It is the BC50 with the two legs and the 42” fence. I hurried back to the store and got an even better deal than I thought I was going to. And then ran out as TheDane suggested. They have two more in the box, long rail and tube sets for $209/per and I think two of the BC30 (30” fence). I didn’t notice the price of the fence alone or fence and rail package. It’s a liquidation company and they are not really sure of what they have.

There’s powermatic, shop fox, and delta fences and quite a few outfeed tables and mobile bases. There’s also two, in the crate, General cabinet saws that someone will snap up at 45% off. The only other stationary power tool is a General 8” jointer. Lots of Mikita, PC, Milwaukee, Dewalt, and Bosch corded and cordless hand tools, though the Festool is pretty well picked through.

I hated to see this hardware store go out of business but the building boom of the last 15 years slammed to a halt. Only the good contractors are still in business around here. But it’s a great time to pick up tools if you have the cash.

-- Trees, a wonderful gift --Joe--

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#7 posted 07-02-2010 04:45 AM

well joe isn’t that something like waving a slab of meat in front of a starvin dog… I am now drooling all over the place.

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#8 posted 07-04-2010 09:05 AM

When you drill the new rails, if you end up a little off, just go to the next size drill bit in one of the holes. You can sneak up on the difference and still have a good fit. Be careful when you copy the holes from the old fence as you may create a mirror of what you actually need. As bad a left hand setup when you need a right hand one.
Good luck, Rand

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#9 posted 07-05-2010 01:41 AM

Sorry, I didn’t mean to wave the raw meat in front of everybody, I was just so excieted. And thanks Rand, I had thought of drilling a mirror image.

Fortunatly the ridgid rail is symetrical left to right. A bigger problem is that there are so many hole predrilled in the Bies rails that it will be hard to find a location where I won’t partially hit an existing hole. Chuck sent me some pictures of one that he had set up and it can be done. Another issue is the up and down alignment. The Bies supplied template is darn close to the depth of the ridgid, but the Bies rails are of 1/4” steel while the ridgid is 3/16”. I’ll look closer but I think they are close enough that I can align the bottoms of the two rails. PurpLev, they do have two more sets. I’ll PM you.

-- Trees, a wonderful gift --Joe--

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#10 posted 07-12-2010 07:30 PM

I am just funnin with you Joe, I am glad to see someone come into a great deal. Great deals are awesome!

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