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Forum topic by Autorotate posted 10-12-2016 12:24 AM 483 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Autorotate

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10-12-2016 12:24 AM

Hello all,

I am looking to upgrade my Craftsman 221240 Hybrid table saw. There is nothing wrong with the saw, but I recently saw a Powermatic 1000 for $700 and it got me thinking. I bought the original Craftsman used so it definitely has some years of use.

I am sure it is a matter of personal preference, but I was wondering what some suggestions were on saws currently out there? I would ideally like to stay under $2k, but the $700 Powermatic sounded great….haha.

One thing I loved about the Craftsman was the Biesemyer Fence. I may keep this anyway even if I upgrade.

I would like to stay with the 115V which option of 230V, but not ready to upgrade the electric yet. I like the cabinet saw, but not opposed to the hybrid as long as it has the cabinet mounted trunions.

Seeing what the consensus was…...Thanks!


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Woodchuck2010

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#1 posted 10-12-2016 12:44 AM

Thats a great buy on the PM1000 if its in good shape. I have the same saw and love it. Your Biese won’t fit on the PM1000 rail. The Accu-Fence that comes with the saw is very good. The saw is still considered a hybrid also.

-- Chuck, Michigan,

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rbm328

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#2 posted 10-12-2016 12:45 AM

autorotate-

first, are you a rotor head? i spent 20 years in uscg aviation.

second, i was in the same situation. i had a ryobi portable and purchased a grizzly cabinet saw. the best move i made. with my grizzly, it was wired for 220 but could be rewired for 110v 20a (it basically needed a dedicated circuit). i can’t speak for the PM, but i know they have a good rep. how old is it and what condition is it in? my saw top is cast and was very rusty. three days of hard scrubbing with steel wool and its almost as good as new.

hth
rich

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#3 posted 10-12-2016 01:12 AM

I believe the PM1000 came out in 2013, so its not very old.

-- Chuck, Michigan,

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#4 posted 10-12-2016 01:33 AM

RBM, yes I am guilty as charge, rotor head. I enjoy what I do, and enjoy being in my (2) car garage shop even better….haha

Just as Woodchuck said, that model came out in 2013. The Craftsman model is old and now has been through a couple owners. Not that it isn’t a great saw, but who in this hobby doesn’t always want to upgrade?

Even though I wanted to go full cabinet saw, I am really thinking about pulling the trigger on the PM1000 for $700.

Thanks for your input!

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#5 posted 10-12-2016 01:48 AM

My saw is pretty similar to yours but it does not have the Biesemyer fence (Delta 36-715, T2 fence, purchased new back in 2006).
I spent considerable time setting up the saw and there is nothing wrong with it.
It cuts true and has met all of my table saw needs.
Having said that I am thinking about replacing it with the professional grade Saw Stop with the upgrade fence.

-- Regards, Charlie

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Autorotate

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#6 posted 10-12-2016 01:51 AM

And…..my search will continue. The PM1000 was NOT $700, it was a scam.

So I am not giving up. I will still read the suggestions to see what I should upgrade to.

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#7 posted 10-12-2016 02:00 PM

I have a Jet Xacta cabinet type saw. Never had a problem rock solid. I think I paid $1600 for it about 10 years ago I think that saw is now going for over $2K so you could look out for a sale. I also have a Jet lathe, bandsaw and dust collector. My experience with customer service has been excellent every time I talk to tech support they are very knowledgeable. I think this is an important factor when you buy a machine.

I really think any cabinet saw from the major manufacturers will be ok with the exception I think you’re paying extra for the name with PM.

They’re all made in Taiwan anyway, some even in the same factory.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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MadMark

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#8 posted 10-12-2016 02:22 PM

Griz 715p

Incra fence & miter gauge

Digital height indicator

= perfection in cutting

M

-- Madmark - Madmark2150@yahoo.com Wiretreefarm.com

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#9 posted 10-12-2016 03:43 PM

Your 22124 is a pretty nice saw. To do a notable upgrade, you’d almost certainly have to take the step to something like a 3hp cabinet saw. The PM1000 is a nice saw….likely an upgrade, but I’m not sure how much better it is than your current saw, or if it’s worth an out of pocket premium of roughly $1500.

What specifically are you hoping to gain from the switch?

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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rbm328

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#10 posted 10-13-2016 12:12 AM

autorotate -

wow, you’re lucky you weren’t robbed.

as for finding a TS, i looked on craigs list for several months, till i found something that i could afford. the Big mistake i made was purchasing it at night and i was in a hurry to get a saw. after i bought it (someone else was also there looking at it), and got it home, i realized it didn’t come with several of the pieces or any manuals, and the top was very rusty. after dropping another $250 (could have bought a NEW one from Grizzly for less), i have a good saw. sounds crazy, but having to scrub it inside and out and replacing several pieces, i know my saw much better than if i had gotten a new one.

Good Luck!
ps- were you military aviation? i miss my flying days.

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Autorotate

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#11 posted 10-13-2016 03:11 AM

Thanks all for the replies, really appreciate it.

To answer the question what am I looking to get out of it? I guess a newer prettier saw…..haha

No, I have had problems before with it bogging down on me if I was cutting something to thick or dense of material. I gave it its owns 20 amp circuit a few months back and it has been running great. However, being it was used, I never know what it has been through before me. And recently I have noticed that I am starting to drift off of the back of the fence when I am doing my rip cuts.

I ordered a saw gauge a few days ago and I am anxiously awaiting to check all of the alignments.

I take very good care of my tools, but ultimately I guess that I never know what it has been through. I like putting together my own machines so I know exactly what is missing and what I broke installing it….ha! And I do not mind installing a 230V for a dedicated saw circuit on a 3HP.

RBM: I am a police pilot now, former USMC, but a grunt…...

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#12 posted 10-13-2016 03:45 PM


autorotate- i h… purchased a grizzly cabinet saw. the best move i made. with my grizzly, it was wired for 220 but could be rewired for 110v 20a
- rbm328

There is no such thing as Grizzly cabinet saw that can be wired to 110V 20A.

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rbm328

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#13 posted 10-15-2016 07:04 PM

<<there>>
- Carloz

excuse me.
its a Grizzly G0715P – 10” Hybrid Table Saw.

i’ll be more accurate next time…

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