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Forum topic by Stevinmarin posted 06-29-2010 05:59 PM 3144 views 4 times favorited 36 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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06-29-2010 05:59 PM

Sorry to post this in the skill share forum, but I’m not sure where it would best go.

I seem to recall reading on here a while ago — also in Wood Magazine’s last issue (I think) — about nitwits stealing project plans and selling them on the web.

Well, I’ve been getting requests from “WoodworkProjects” on my YouTube channel to post video responses on a number of my videos. I checked out his channel to see what he does: he posts episodes of New Yankee Workshop (minus the titles and credits) with his web site plastered on them!

So I went to his web site and sure enough, he’s hawking crappy DVDs containing nothing but plans he’s ripped from the internet. He is bold enough to post his name: John Metz. I won’t post the link here, else search engines will give it added credibility. It is woodworking (the number 4) home dot tk. (What the hell is a .tk domain, anyway??)

Ug. It’s frustrating trying to come up with new designs and have some hack sell them. I wonder how many LumberJocks’ plans are on his DVD?

Anyway, just be careful.


-- Entertainment for mere mortal woodworkers.

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#1 posted 06-29-2010 06:04 PM

that sux!

I wonder if anything can be done about it – esp. since you said he’s posting The NYW on his channel…

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#2 posted 06-29-2010 06:09 PM

From wikipedia, .tk is the country code top domain for Tokelau (a territory of New Zealand).

In the wikipedia entry, they reference a McAfee survey that determined .tk domains were twice as likely as the global average to be used for “unwanted behaviors”, including scams such as phishing and spam.

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#3 posted 06-29-2010 06:12 PM

Thanks Steve, depends on where they are at ,if you can do any thing , We have had them pirate our DVD’s and put them up for pay upload, nothing is sacred, the issue is they are usually out of the country and simply put no one seems to care…and the cost of pursuit is unreal, seems folks will sell their souls for a $ , but its alerts like this that help a alot, but then again, its sorry to say many will buy them , even knowing they are buying pirated material, as long as its cheap.. its sad..

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#4 posted 06-29-2010 06:15 PM

Oh, I just found that article about this. It’s in the May 2010 (# 197) issue of Wood. Check Tom Iovino aka: The Shop Monkey’s article. Maybe it’s on his blog over at Wood.

-- Entertainment for mere mortal woodworkers.

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#5 posted 06-29-2010 06:24 PM

I agree Charles – it IS sad, especially since this is such a small niche of a market. there the percentages being hit by piracy are higher than any other market (not saying that piracy in other markets is legit – just that the market share hit by it is smaller). I really wish there was a way to fight back, and do anything legally.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#6 posted 06-29-2010 06:46 PM

There is another site, too, advertising 16,000 plans (apparently they bought the 14,000 plan DVD and added 2,000 more that he hadn’t scarfed off the Internet). Apparently pirates still attack pirates just like they did in the 18th century!

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#7 posted 06-29-2010 06:47 PM

Steve & Charles – If its any consolation to you , I can’t be the only one that will pass on the pirated stuff and view or buy the stuff that I want from legitimate sources. I hope that there are enough of us out here that are happy to work with your business models so that the “shrinkage” of your business by leeches like this isn’t a big deal.

-- Greg D.

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#8 posted 06-29-2010 06:52 PM

If they have taken anything that belongs to you, you can send then a Digital Millenium Copyright Act notice asking it to be removed. If they don’t remove it then you can file a DMCA complaint with Google and the other big search engines and Google, Yahoo and Bing will remove the content from showing up in searches.

It does work… but it takes a while.

You can also notify the hosting company and they are obligated to take it down, ... if they are a reputable host, but likely the same guy doing the ripping off is his own host. Still it is worth a shot.

-- Galootish log blog,

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#9 posted 06-29-2010 08:49 PM

One way we can all fight this thievery is refuse to buy from these sites. Remember … if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

I work in a business (computer software) that is always under attack by creeps like this. We defend ourselves and protect our intellectual property as vehemently as we can, but Charles is right … chasing these bozoes down can be an expensive proposition, and the off-shore thieves (which is where most seem to be) are almost impossible to get shut down.

We’ve filed DMCA notices, but as Swirt points out, it can take a long time. In our experience, it is sort of like when the cops clamp down on prostitution … they step on it in one place and it just bubbles up in another.

Doesn’t mean we tolerate it … we fight like hell every opportunity we get.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#10 posted 06-29-2010 09:28 PM

I have the good fortune to have a large legal firm that has several devout woodworkers among the senior partners. They enjoy going after people that infringe on my plans and content but so far we have been able to work out a decent agreement without crushing someone int eh process. Except for a guy doing this DVD thing where he was selling my plans. He was from Austrailia but selling the DVD’s through an outfit in California. The legal guys took him down quickly and it even got one of the people in the California part of the operation put in jail on unrelated warrants that came up during the investigation. the main guy has been charged by the authorities in his home country and so far, appears to be out of business.
If it were not for these lawyers liking my site and donating their efforts I would never be able to do all this but it is nice to see a true rip-off artist get what is coming to him once in a while.

-- Tom Hintz,

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#11 posted 06-29-2010 09:37 PM

I have bought mostly good quality genuine dvd’s on woodworking/turning etc but then a few were poor copies of dvd’s that were made by Richard Raffan etc a guy I have a lot of time for in terms of woodturning.
Charles Neil
what you say is true about buying cheap copies but then when people see that cheap means quality is cheap too.I once saw a guy buy a dvd of a big feature film and he told me that in the middle of the film a guy got up from his seat walked across throught the seats to go to the toilet it had been filmed in the cinema full of peopleLOL AlistairAlistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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#12 posted 06-29-2010 09:55 PM

as a guy who can´t affort much I still salute those who had the will and power to
fight pirates and other who make scams on honest working people



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#13 posted 06-29-2010 11:13 PM

Okay, just because this is sticking in my craw, I looked deeper into that guy’s web site.

Apparently he offers an “affiliate program”. In other words, a multi-level marketing program. In other words, a pyramid scheme to make him richer without lifting a finger. This also means that there are probably a lot of other web sites set up to sell more of this stuff.

I have half a mind to make my own video response. Hmm. Let me think about this.


I did a bit more checking. Yep…there are a LOT of these web sites. All with the identical layout. Most have wood(4)home or something similar in the URL. Dot coms and other domains. Each guy sets up a sham YouTube channel too.

Yep. Look for my video soon. At least I can reach 1500 YouTube subscribers and countless Lumberjocks. Hehehe….

-- Entertainment for mere mortal woodworkers.

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#14 posted 06-29-2010 11:37 PM

Steve, ’ half a mind ”, I agree and welcome to the club, ( sorry couldnt resist), and while im not exactly sure what to say or which direction to point folks in, let me know, I got a pretty big mouth as well , ( dont ‘yall even go there, :) ) , and lets see what Marc is up to … he** I love a good commion cause fight.. Im in

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#15 posted 06-30-2010 12:00 AM

You guys are evil, GO GET EM!!!!!!

-- (You just have to please the man in the Mirror) Mike from Michigan -

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