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06-26-2010 01:21 AM

Topic tags/keywords: chest of drawers attachment top joining traditional tip question

commode XVIIIeme, somebody knows how was attached the top on a 18th century wood toped chest of drawers. it seem that the screw and the screwdriver are recent invention (1800) . nothing appears on the top, and it’s really tight and strong , well, if anybody knows, thank you for sharing.

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#1 posted 06-26-2010 01:46 AM

posting a pic would help.

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#2 posted 06-26-2010 02:23 AM

Some of the old tables had very poor joinery and did not allow for wood movement. So coping the old joinery my not be a good thing.

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#3 posted 06-26-2010 02:42 AM

thank you , the link for the picture appear broken but it’s working,(flickr).
really the joinery is not very good and don’t allow movements, but i hate screws, nails, chest of drawers

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#4 posted 06-26-2010 02:47 AM

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#5 posted 06-26-2010 02:58 AM

they used to just nail them generally. Either with glue blocks from the bottom or from the top and they plugged the hole with a peg or something. Sometimes you also can see them pegged from the top with wood. probably they also used glue blocks as well with just glue.

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#6 posted 06-26-2010 03:03 AM

Jim, i already use this type of attachment, reading about tools i see that the screw is a recent invention, for less in woodwork. then i remember the chest of drawers of my childhood, it wasnt the one of the picture but similar,
and i don’t find the way they use to attach the top , it’s only a question in my mind without answer.
i’m doing a linen press (chinese influency style) and by the way i would like to attach the top without screws, to complete the furniture without screws except for the bronze handle

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#7 posted 06-26-2010 03:53 AM

Screws are not that new I have seen furniture form the mid 1700s with screws. If you can incorporate a sliding dovetails that will take care of wood movement and zero screws.

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#8 posted 06-26-2010 04:32 AM

thank you Jim, i think in the same way ( neat), i thinkmy linen press will have a nice wooden
top without screws but dovetails,
but my historical curiosity isn’t yet satisfy, hope to know how. for screws i think that in europe at least france appears around 1800 (for attach) may be england used earlier, i don’t know .

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#9 posted 06-26-2010 06:16 AM

I think according to on line research you were correct about the use of screws in the US.
in case anyone’s interested

http://cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/sg/wag/Am_Wood_Screws.pdf

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#10 posted 06-26-2010 05:43 PM

great link , thank you Jim

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#11 posted 06-27-2010 10:05 AM

Alain: This might be what you are looking for from Lee Valley Veritas. A “Veritas Invisible Nailing Kit.”

They brought it out to do exactly what you are asking about. it IS a Reproduction of a Long Lost Tool and Method for “Invisibly” Fastening Furniture Tops. Of course, I just had to HAVE ONE!! Used it a few times. It works as well as they say it does.

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It’s a 1/4” Gouge Plane that LIFTS a small sliver of wood 1/4” wide, at a 15 Degree Angle. Then Bend The Sliver Back Gently, Hammer in a Finishing Nail, Use the Small Bottle of Fish Glue supplied with it (Mucilage is also okay to use) Clamp, Tape or Weight Sliver back in place. After it’s Dry you clean it up with a Damp Cloth. Both Glues are Water Soluble.

Top In Place! Well….. after you put in as many as you care to.

Sorry but “Bolding” for the Web Link hasn’t been working for me. I’ll Post this. Get the Item Number from Lee Valley, and Post it in here so you can do a search on LV Site as they ask for the Item Number Only in Search.

Okay. Item Number is 05K51.20. From Memory I Believe it’s $29.99. There is also a PDF Download that Supplies the Complete Instructions on How To Use it.

Hope this does it for you.

Regards: Rick

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#12 posted 06-28-2010 01:02 AM

thank you Rick, great tool, it’s remember me the disvantage to haven’t Lee valey store in brazil (or equivalent)

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#13 posted 06-28-2010 10:39 AM

Alain: My Pleasure Sir! ;-}

That’s NOT a Problem for Lee Valley. They Ship all over the World. That’s how their Business originally started MANY years ago. It was Mail Order only.

Rick

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#14 posted 06-28-2010 07:24 PM

that’s a good news, thank you Rick

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