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jonnybrophy

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09-30-2016 10:10 PM

Topic tags/keywords: beginner broke need help question

Hey guys, i am brand new to the forums and hoping maybe i can get a question answered. I am a beginner wood worker that didnt really have a plan before I shelled out some dollars for tools. I have been trying to woodwork for about 10 months and havent really made anything, just a whole lot of scrap. I have a decent amount tools but am always feeling like i need more to do a project. Am i just crazy or what? also, should i save up for black friday(make 200 bucks a month), or is it not worth it?

P.S.- I have a 9in bandsaw,orbital sander,hand held belt sander,lathe,8’ bench grinder, 3 cordless drills, black and decker firestorm table saw(sucks eggs),and various everyday tools. Am i missing something critical?

Thanks for repsonding and have a great day!

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DirtyMike

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#1 posted 09-30-2016 10:19 PM

A router is a pretty good tool to own, even a small trim router can be very useful. Honestly though lumber is the only thing you need, Tools just make it easier. Having a good understanding how to properly utilize your tools is the key. You could make amazing pieces of art with minimal tools, Hone your skills before you buy anymore tools .

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#2 posted 09-30-2016 10:20 PM

What types of projects are you looking to do? That may get you more answers.

-- Rob, Dallas TX

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#3 posted 09-30-2016 10:28 PM

woodworking causes a disease, it is called more toolitis, the longer you woodwork the more tools you have to have.

-- Smitty!!!

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#4 posted 09-30-2016 11:34 PM

Johnny as I read your post I almost got a sense of panic from you. Like Smitty said “toolitis”. Stop for a minute access your scene and start small… a bird house, cutting board and work up from there. Like many LJ’s, we’ve been at it for years and there’s always something new or old we want to buy. Sort of like the younger generation with those electronic thingyies. You’ll find the niche or direction that you enjoy the most. Go forth and Conquer.

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#5 posted 10-01-2016 12:11 AM

I have to agree with the guys who replied before me. You’ve got to stop and assess the situation. What do you aspire to build? Try to find something that you want to build that uses the tools you already have. Woodworking is nothing more than the never ending quest to make something using the tools that you have in front of you. I mean, if I was a millionaire and all, I would have a giant shop with every tool known to man. However that’s not possible for me and likely for you too.

I remember being a young woodworker and was talking to a neighbor who had a built-in dedicated shop in his backyard. I remember lamenting to him that I wish I had a shop like his. He replied, “Just keep at it, and buy a little bit at a time. Eventually you’ll get there! Fast forward 20 years, and I am there! Funny, I looked through magazines now and pretty much don’t need anything anymore. A lot of my stuff is shop built because stores like rocker woodworking have figured out that woodworkers will buy anything including jigs that they could make themselves. Also, many tools pull double duty. I mean, you could buy a 100 different hand saws, but in the end, won’t the one you own cut the wood the same? Don’t get sucked into owning every tool imaginable!

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#6 posted 10-01-2016 12:33 AM

Yeah!! Exactly what Greg Said!!!

Something else came to me after my first response. I was in Germany this past spring in a town, Obergammergau. They have a wood carving tradition dating to the 12th century. The work I saw there was beyond wonderful. I spent an hour in a shop with an artist/craftsman/carver whatever you want to call him. It took a bit of time but with a little effort we develop an mutual understanding and appreciation for tools and workmanship. Something he told me, something I’ve believed in only is slightly different verbiage, ” buy a cheap tool and replace it many times. Buy the best tool and it lasts you a life time!” This gentleman had studied and apprenticed for 5 years. He had been carving wood for over 30 years. He showed me a chisel he had purchased when he started. There was less that 2” left on the shaft. He told me he was trying to save as much as he could. He explained that there was nowhere he could find a replacement with the quality of steel in that chisel. I connected with this gentleman like few I have ever met.

So what I’m getting at is don’t buy something to get by for now as you will only replace it and probably soon. Been there done that. Do your research. Study your needs and what will meet them, them look for the best.
Yeah it might cost a little more, but in all likelihood it will last you a life time. Buy it once or buy it several times?

My Best,
Bob

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jonnybrophy

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#7 posted 10-01-2016 04:04 AM

Guys I am overwhelmed with the awesome responses! Thank you! I just seem to have a hard time being creative with what I have. I am so excited to be a part of these forums and learn from you guys.
I know I have tools, and a lot of 3/4 cherry from a very friendly cabinet maker, I just don’t know what to make. I want to make some geeky themed things for my etsy shop to make money while I’m at school.

P.s. I have a router :)

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#8 posted 10-01-2016 04:13 AM

I personally like fine woodworking though.

Cutting boards, ornaments,tools,and boxes

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DirtyMike

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#9 posted 10-01-2016 04:32 AM


Here are a couple of good simple money makers so you can buy more tools. And honestly I am the same way with tools. I would recommend you save your money for a good table saw with a good fence.

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#10 posted 10-01-2016 08:58 AM

P.s. I have a router :)
- jonnybrophy

I detect significance in the fact that you have a router but didn’t list it in the original post – perhaps you’re not comfortable using it?
A router is the only precision tool I own (unless you count some newly acquired japanese hand saws) – with just that and a few basic tools that you already own, and some ingenuity, you can build a huge range of stuff – maybe even everything! Rather than new tools, buy good quality router bits and get to know that one tool really well. I personally very quickly upgraded to a pretty good quality “set” of bits – that made a huge difference.
Maybe start by knocking together a router table – don’t overthink it – it’s not much more than a hole in a piece of (say ply-) wood – I used that for 4 years sitting on an old Black & Decker workmate before making another hole in a piece of chipboard on legs for version 2.
Then make a simple box. Then make a simple tray (which is, if you think about it, a very very flat box with no lid!). then…....

(yes, the quote goes there)

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#11 posted 10-01-2016 12:45 PM

when my bride decided that I needed to get into woodworking as a stress reliever, we bought tools for about two years before I even pulled the trigger on the first one.:( I was driving OTR at the time, & been in the trucking business all my life. So tools & mechanics is nothing new. But, not ever being around wood equipment, I went to the library when I was home every couple weeks, checked out books about the wood tools we were buying, & planning to buy. I read books til my eyes were crossed. And, I learned my tools inside & out. That was 23 years ago.

I’m a self taught wood worker. When my Sawbones gave me the long face, & told me I was done truckin’, I got into woodworking full time. That was four years ago. Your tools are an important factor in your life as a woodworker, but, if you don’t know them, their sounds, their purposes, & how to use them, they’re as useless as a busted fence post. Like others have said, put the brakes on & think about what direction you’re headed, boss. Decide just what projects tickle your fancy at this point in time, & go from there. Every tool you listed you can build most anything you can dream up until your skills get better.

Put that tool money in a savings account, & then when you need or want a new tool, the cash is there. Also as mentioned, those of us w/ our shops put together, we didn’t do it overnight. You’re headed down the right track, just slow down. If anything, out of all the tools you’ve got now, invest in a couple hand planes, & you’ll be set for anything you want to construct. jmo. good luck & enjoy your ventures.


Johnny as I read your post I almost got a sense of panic from you. Like Smitty said “toolitis”. Stop for a minute access your scene and start small… a bird house, cutting board and work up from there. Like many LJ s, we ve been at it for years and there s always something new or old we want to buy. Sort of like the younger generation with those electronic thingyies. You ll find the niche or direction that you enjoy the most. Go forth and Conquer.

- BurlyBob


-- Sawdust703

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jonnybrophy

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#12 posted 10-01-2016 03:58 PM

Holy cow thanks guys! The reason I didn’t post about my router is I just totally forgot about it! I don’t use it much. It’s a ryobi fixed base along with the larger bit set (chamfers,round overs,straight,and an ogee bit). I am really surprised by this awesome support. I’m trying to find a good project that’s small enough to ship. I’m thinking the star wars emblems as ornaments.

I’d say that my largest problem(besides creativity) is having properly surfaced lumber. I’d love to laminate together hardwoods and turn them or make cutting boards.

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#13 posted 10-01-2016 04:05 PM

...I want to make some geeky themed things for my etsy shop to make money while I m at school.
- jonnybrophy
...I’m trying to find a good project that’s small enough to ship. I’m thinking the star wars emblems as ornaments.
- jonnybrophy

Am I the only person slightly disturbed that, after ”I have been trying to woodwork for about 10 months and havent really made anything, just a whole lot of scrap”, jonny is just looking to make things to immediately sell.
I’ve never made a cutting board myself, but if I did so, I’d want to use it for at least one complete year just to see if it could cope with the wear and tear and any seasonal variations. If I had to predict, I’d guess my first one simply wouldn’t pass muster for personal use, let alone public use.

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jonnybrophy

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#14 posted 10-01-2016 04:12 PM

That’s a good point, I just want to sell so I can buy more tools :p. I’m addicted! I do really enjoy woodworking not just to sell.

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#15 posted 10-01-2016 05:20 PM

Welcome to Ljs Jonny
As an adult woodworking instructor, I always suggest folks get a decent table saw with a decent fence. Unless you’re just going to carve or turn only back up a little and replace your table saw with one that can do more. When I say decent saw that doesn’t mean you have to have a high end saw but even most $100-$200 used sears saws are a step above what you have. If you follow your savings plan of $200 a month for a few months you could even get a new saw in the $500-$600 price range.
As far as not making any projects ,it seems to me you could be afraid to fail.but that’s part of the learning process.
find a project that interest you and go for it,if you make mistakes join the club, it dosen’t have to be perfect or even usable,just think of it as a lesson ,lessons can be on what not to do as well as what to do that works well.
you may want to see if there’s a basic woodshop class at your local community college or woodworking club or a freind a neighbor that will mentor you thats close by,if not find a project and ask lots of questions on what to do here on Ljs,there’s always someone around here that will help.

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