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Forum topic by Chriskmb5150 posted 06-24-2010 03:18 AM 7798 views 2 times favorited 33 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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06-24-2010 03:18 AM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw

Ill start this out by saying I dont think I’ll ever buy anything from SEARS again. Had the 21833 for a few days and took it back, bought the 22116 but refused it due to shipping damage, SEARS reordered and promised to deliver a second 22116. After a few weeks of waiting and knowing the replacement saw is just sitting in their warehouse I demanded my money back and promised to never shop in SEARS again.

So now im back to square one in my quest to buy a good table saw. I would love to own a sawstop, PM or unisaw but dont have 3 grand to burn. Im leaning towards a grizzly thanks to some of the good info ive read here.
I’m kinda torn between the G0690 and the G1023RL but am having trouble spotting the differences in the two (aside from the color).
Any advice would be appreciated.

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#1 posted 06-24-2010 03:28 AM

Just going to say, I bought the G1023RL and I love it, I would never need anything more I don’t think.

Just at a glance, it looks like the fence on the two are different and the blade guard is different.

Also, it looks like the 0690 has a more substantial riving knife and maybe a little bit larger cutting capacity.

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#2 posted 06-24-2010 03:59 AM

I know you’re asking about the Grizzly saws I considered purchasing one but accepting delivery was an issue. I can comment on Sears customer service and that hasn’t changed in 20+ years.

In 1989, I bought a band saw from Sears and it took 4 months to get a complete and working saw. It was missing parts to begin with and then the parts they shipped were either wrong or damaged. I vowed to never purchase another Craftsman power tool and to date I have kept my word.

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#3 posted 06-24-2010 04:24 AM

I only have one of Crapsman tool in my shop, It’s a 1960’s hand held scroll saw the I picked up at at yard sale for 25 cents. , It uses the old type of blades that I have a lot of and the bosch won’t use. I have issues running back a lot of years. Ther hand tools are great, but the power tools seem to go to the lowest bidder.

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#4 posted 06-24-2010 04:25 AM

I am waiting on the G1023RLW which should ship this week. We’ll see.

Check this thread for G0690 vs G1023RLW:

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#5 posted 06-24-2010 04:38 AM

Dont rule out Ebay and Craigs List. There are a lot of great Delta, Powermatic, and other used table saws on there for half of what you would pay new.

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#6 posted 06-24-2010 04:46 AM

Have you checked General International? They make a number of quality tools.

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#7 posted 06-24-2010 03:48 PM

Chris – Either of the Grizzly saws you mentioned would likely serve you well. The G0690 has a good track record, while the G1023RL has next to none. The arbor of the new G1023RL travels vertically straight up and down as opposed to up and down in an arc, has a poly-v belt drive system vs the triple belt drive of the G0690, plus it has a blade shroud for better DC. Even though the former G1023 series of saw was well proven and well regarded, the G1023RL deviates from the design of the original G1023 by quite a bit. The G0690 actually looks more like a modified version of the former G1023 trunnion system. None of this means that the revisions to the G1023RL aren’t advantages, but they are less proven.

New 1023RL:

Old 1023:

G0690 Trunnions:

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#8 posted 06-24-2010 04:36 PM

Double check the Home Depots around you, there was a shipment of R4511s that were snuck in last month and are available for $399.

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#9 posted 06-24-2010 04:38 PM

Judging by the images provided by knotscott, the trunnions on the 1023RL looks “cheap” while the 690s is pretty substantial. More mass, less vibration, better longevity … tougher to move.

I wonder what the extra link on the 690 is (vs the old 1023). Some sort of stabilizer or something?

Somebody mentioned that the arbor moves in an arc on the old 1023 & the 690. Is that bad?

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#10 posted 06-24-2010 05:00 PM

I have left standing instructions for my wife and kids … if I ever even act like I’m going to buy anything at Sears again, they are to pick up the nearest thing that can be used as a club and beat me until I come to my senses.

That being said, though I don’t have first-hand experience with Grizzly tablesaws, I do have other Grizzly tools. If I were not happy with my Jet tablesaw, Grizzly would be at the top of my list.

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#11 posted 06-25-2010 12:47 AM

I got a nice used unasaw from craigs list 700$ with unifennce and moble base 3 phase with converter
It is a late 80s modle I like it alot

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#12 posted 06-25-2010 01:54 AM

I received my G6091 monday, come in good shape,went together with only two small hitches the fence was out .010 took 5 minutes to adjust.the riving knife was out a hair easy fix , what can I say I’m an old machinest if its not within .001 or .002 I have to fix it.I havn’t cut alot yet so I wont comment on that yet, BUT when I first turned it on it come to life with no vibration and it cut my test piece like butter.I don’t think you can go wrong if you go with the 6901 or 690. I’m glad I got one !!!

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#13 posted 06-25-2010 02:11 PM

Dragonsrite…that extra link is for the riving knife to allow it to move with the blade when raising or lowering it.


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#14 posted 06-25-2010 05:25 PM

I have several Grizzly tools, plus some Jet, PM, and a SawStop. A Grizzly tablesaw is a great value, especially if you can get one used. I just sold my one-year-old 1023SL for $400 when I upgraded to the SawStop. The SS doesn’t cut any better than the Grizzly did, but after a fellow photographer suffered a career-ending accident on a tablesaw, I opted for the safety of the SS. And the dust collection is phenomenal.

Bottom line, I think you’d be super-pleased with a used Grizzly, you’ll get a solid, dependable tool at a really low price.

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#15 posted 06-25-2010 05:45 PM

[Sailor]”Just going to say, I bought the G1023RL and I love it, I would never need anything more I don’t think.”

How did you manage to get the G1023RL? I have been waiting for a month and just got off the phone with Grizzly Customer Service and they are now telling me the back-order has been pushed to August 13th at the earliest. So I then called Grizzly Tech and they are telling me that they have never seen one (G1023RLW) and that ”none have come in.” The tech did not know anything about the reasons behind the back-order or whether there were any manufacturing issues involved or what. This is why I am wondering how you managed to get your hands on one. Where do you live, if I may ask?

I am now in a quandary trying to decide on alternatives (the cost difference is a wash):
G0691— $1250. In Stock
G0690— $1150. Due In July 2nd
G1023RLW—$1175. Due in August 13th (I originally ordered this May26th)

I am a WW newbie and wonder if I will really need that 50” rip capacity or can/will grow into it. I am dedicating 1/2 of my 24’x30’ metal garage to my shop and will have the TS on a mobile base. The reason I like the G1023RLW idea is the cast iron router extension, even though I plan on building a separate router table. Hay…yelp Ya’ll!

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