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Forum topic by fineamerican posted 06-23-2010 07:32 AM 1411 views 0 times favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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06-23-2010 07:32 AM

Topic tags/keywords: tip question joining

Im stuck here and thought maybe someone could offer a idea. This drawing is of a Stickley entertainment center where my client has given me tons of freedom on design, but wants me to stay close to the Stickley style. Anyway most of my work is done with hand tools, and I dont own a plate joiner or anything like that. In the past Ive used nails here but with the oak, Im trying to avoid that, plus I dont want filler to show in the finish. Ive got dovetails everywhere else here, and mortise/tenons in the other places. This is the only joint like this. Im sure the joint is easy and something I should know, but its 0130 hrs here and Im stumped.
Thanks

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#1 posted 06-23-2010 07:36 AM

Biscuits or a butterfly (double sided dovetail) in top or loose tenon

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#2 posted 06-23-2010 07:46 AM

Biscuits wont work because I dont own a biscuit joiner, but the loose tenon is a good idea. Thanks Jim

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#3 posted 06-23-2010 08:12 AM

OR dowels

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#4 posted 06-23-2010 08:51 AM

Might I suggest a longitudinal tongue and groove joint? simple to create and very sturdy after glueup.

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#5 posted 06-23-2010 12:59 PM

It looks like you are gluing long grain to long grain so dowels would be ideal. Actually just gluing would be fine if it is long grain to long grain.

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#6 posted 06-23-2010 01:08 PM

yeah that looks fine without any additional reinforcement. I would recommend something though to help with alignment, but that can be as simple as dowels or complex as biscuits or T&G.

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#7 posted 06-23-2010 01:59 PM

Thanks everyone, trying to do the most of this piece by hand had me stumped on this one part.

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#8 posted 06-23-2010 02:08 PM

just glue it or use a spline

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#9 posted 06-23-2010 02:36 PM

The only reason to do any thing other than just glue here would be to help you keep it aligned. On a long grain to long grain joint, if you can clamp it straight and plumb then just get plenty of titebond in there and you’re solid. The glue bond will be stronger than the wood.

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#10 posted 06-23-2010 02:56 PM

Add my vote to the “all you need is glue” crowd.

If I had any concern about alignment, I would probably add a spline.

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#11 posted 06-23-2010 04:14 PM

If you have a doweling jig, I’d go for 3 or 4 dowels for alignment purposes only.

If not, use a real shallow tongue and groove again just for alignment. (could be done on a table saw, router table, or using a combination plane if you have one…I’m not sure what tools you have available)

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#12 posted 06-23-2010 05:31 PM

I would just glue it also. I’ve done that for years and can’t think of a falure yet.
With the right clamps, I’m not sure alignment would be much of a problem if you are careful.

Good luck

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#13 posted 06-23-2010 05:37 PM

since it’s long grain to long grain – no real joinery is necessary other than glue. M&T, Dovetails, etc were introduced to join long grain to end grain.

That aside – what about instead of having those 2 pieces of 1×2 just have those back columns as 2×2 and not have to worry about joinery there at all? just mortise the 2 other frames into the 2×2 material from both sides.?

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#14 posted 06-23-2010 05:44 PM

I think just glueing is fine too. The one place there might be a problem with wood movement is the center bar with the dovetail unless you use a M&T without glue cut short and floating in the mortice to the back.

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#15 posted 06-23-2010 05:44 PM

I’d go with just glue … IMHO adding joinery would just be overkill.

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