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Forum topic by Dadoo posted 12-31-2007 06:12 AM 1013 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Dadoo

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12-31-2007 06:12 AM

Topic tags/keywords: jig trick tip resource

I was out in the lab today playing with my tablesaw, new dado blade, adjusting the depth of cut, readjusting the depth of cut, makin’ some simple hotplates and I came up with an idea. Now we LumberJocks are getting pretty big and if the tool makers and engineers haven’t found us yet, then snooze they loose! There’s a wealth of info and ideas here.

So I look at my tablesaw and I think, “I want a button to push that will automatically set the accurate blade depth and also set the blade angle.” I’m tired of crankin’ those handles! Now we have available these CNC machines that make changes faster than you can think, and we have available this particular tablesaw that immediately wrecks and guts itself when you touch it with your weiner (I’m talkin hotdogs here ladies!), so why can’t we have auto adjusting tools? And at a price we can afford?

So here’s your chance to air your ideas too, and if there’s any engineers lookin’...get to it son!

-- Bob Vila would be so proud of you!


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Karson

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#1 posted 12-31-2007 06:19 AM

I hear you Dadoo, but I’m betting that some engineer is squeamish about a tool that will adjust itself with the small push of a button, when it’s your and mine hands sliding about near the blade. We think its cutting a 1/4” depth and we have a 3/4 ” board so we know it’s not coming through the top. And then all of a sudden it appears and we find that a finger or two is toast.

It would make my life easier on my table saw I have to turn the crank about 45 turns to go to 45 degrees. And I’m down on my hands and knees when I’m doing that. It would sure make my woodworking more enjoyable.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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cajunpen

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#2 posted 12-31-2007 06:28 AM

That is a great idea Dadoo – I’m going to send it to Ron Popeel (sp) tomorrow, hell, he’s been involved with inventing everything except the internet (and we know that Al Gore did that).

It seems that they have the lifts for the routers – wonder how hard it would be for the TS. Karson does make a good point though about the depth – an oops by the lifter would be a bad thing, unless you also have the “no winier” cutter installed.

-- Bill - "Suit yourself and let the rest be pleased." http://www.cajunpen.com/

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dennis mitchell

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#3 posted 12-31-2007 07:23 AM

I hope it doesnt get as confusing as my cell phone…a voice activated table saw…automatic fence…Internet connection… counts how much wood i cut up and reorders what i need…lays out my cut list on a screen…makes coffee…calls my wife when I’m working late and have lost track of time…beeps me when one of my projects on lumberjocks gets a comment.

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Greg3G

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#4 posted 12-31-2007 07:44 AM

Beleive it or not, Craftsman used to have a Radial Arm saw that would do the depth thing. My Dad used to own one. You would hit a button, the saw would lower to zero itself out, then you punched in the decimal equivalent of the depth you wanted to cut. The only draw bacsk were it would go down in any saw track you had previously cut into the table and it didn’t have a fraction capability. (he taped a conversion chart to the side of the arm.) Sears has discontinued this feature but you can still find them out there on Craigs List at times.

-- Greg - Charles Town, WV

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Jamie

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#5 posted 12-31-2007 09:14 AM

Another problem that was not mentioned with the automatic blade depth is when you are using jigs and sleds that raise the workpiece above the table. It would be an awesome idea though. I guess you could have an override so if you were using a sled, you could input the depth manually to take into acount the height of the sled.

I think what would be better for me is for a power tool such as a table saw to automatically align and zero itself to the table/fence. Would be awesome for switching between a normal blade and a dado, or blades that have different kerfs.

Another would be for a bandsaw to automatically align itself while you are feeding stock so that the blade is exactly parallel to the fence and eliminate runout. Man… Think of the possibilities (resawing, veneering, etc) and never having to align it youself…

One other would be for each power tool to come with a little helper that would do the woodworking for you…. wait…. that kinda takes all the fun out of woodworking.. I guess you could say “wow.. look at this beautiful piece of furniture my little helpers made.. I helped them with the finish!” :)

-- Jamie, Kentucky

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Jamie

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#6 posted 12-31-2007 10:00 AM

Got one more.. A power tool that you feed your stock into and it automatically slices the wood with 4 to 6 bandsaw type blades. So if you had a piece of stock 4” wide, you could have 1 – 4/4 piece, 1 – 5/4 piece, 1 – 3/4 piece, and 2 – 2/4 pieces (if that makes any sense). It would be something like a multiple blade bandsaw (or scrollsaw with a resaw type blade) with a power feed table. Each blade would be independently adjustable for cutting depth (or spacing). The table height would be adjustable similar to a power planer…

You could call it the ‘VeneeResaw’

It would save a lot of time resawing, and probably get more people into doing it..

Hmm.. I may try to patent this… :)

-- Jamie, Kentucky

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TheGravedigger

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#7 posted 12-31-2007 03:32 PM

Actually, Jamie, I’m afraid the lumber mills beat you to it on this one. Most of them use variable-width multi-bandsaws to cut rough boards down to size. If you’ve never seen it done, try to catch it on one of the how-to channels or YouTube. I don’t have a link there, but they’ve posted everything else, right? It’s really cool to watch.

Of course, those rigs are a little bit big for most shops…

-- Robert - Visit my woodworking blog: http://littlegoodpieces.wordpress.com

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Dadoo

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#8 posted 12-31-2007 03:38 PM

Soooo…”What do you want”???

-- Bob Vila would be so proud of you!

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scottb

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#9 posted 12-31-2007 03:48 PM

A self cleaning shop! Something like a roomba that can get around obstacles (and hold tons of woodchips), or sensors built into a dust collection system that’ll keep sucking until the floor and air is clean (quietly)

-- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Van Gogh -- http://blanchardcreative.etsy.com -- http://snbcreative.wordpress.com/

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SPalm

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#10 posted 12-31-2007 04:31 PM

I would buy a Shopba, Scott. That would be sweet. It could bidegrade the chips to make power to run itself.
Also a little elf that comes in every night and sharpens everything.

-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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IowaWoodcrafter

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#11 posted 12-31-2007 04:48 PM

I would like a resaw bandsaw that had a built in planer/jointer/sander, anything that would smooth the surface. As you resaw, the rough surfaces of both pieces are smoothed so you don’t have to send them through a sander or jointer/planer. Maybe they could place a separate sanding strip directly behind the blade?

-- Owen Johnson - aka IowaWoodcrafter

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John Gray

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#12 posted 12-31-2007 05:28 PM

While the engineers are at it why not add a feature like a CD changer that could swap different blades by voice command?

-- Only the Shadow knows....................

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Jamie

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#13 posted 12-31-2007 06:07 PM

GraveDigger,
I was looking for something that would fit in a workshop with the VeneeResaw. I couldn’t fit a multi-head saw mill in mine… :)

-- Jamie, Kentucky

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MsDebbieP

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#14 posted 12-31-2007 06:18 PM

I want my mitre saw to have a better dust collection system

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Blake

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#15 posted 12-31-2007 07:50 PM

How about a robot that does woodworking for you? You could just sit and watch TV while your woodbot made all of your furniture? And then it could automatically upload the data to LumberJocks?

I actually really like Dadoo’s original idea. They are already making saws with digital readouts for angle. But I don’t think the readout is the key. The blade hight is usually a relative thing, and we mostly eyeball it so that it is just a little above the stock anyway. But the motorized movement would be slick. Sure, the up/down switch would be protected (so you don’t have any accidents).

Here’s an alternative idea, that might be cheaper than CNC style motors: “Above the table” hight adjustment. Just make a removable wheel that easily installs above the table and then is removed before cutting (just like a router lift).

As far as getting an accurate bevel angle out of your table saw, probably the best edition to my shop recently was the Wixey digital display.

-- Happy woodworking! http://www.openarmsphotography.com

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