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09-08-2016 12:15 PM

Topic tags/keywords: cigar shave sharpening

Millers Falls No. 1

An incredibly recent addition to the shop, the MF “Cigar Shave” is a unique tool with a mixed reputation when it comes to performing well. This forum is for future reference; a place to index sites, sources and methodologiea that help owners of the tool get the most out of it. Here, for example, is a terrific article on sharpening the No. 1, followed by an introductory artictle posted by Lee Valley with patent details:

http://contrib2.wkfinetools.com/HendricksJ/cigarShave/cigarShave-04.asp

http://www.leevalley.com/newsletters/Woodworking/2/2/patents.htm

Boatman53 (Jim) created a jig for use with the venerable Eclipse:

http://lumberjocks.com/replies/2842250

Michael Brady described such a jig in 2011 on Wood Central:

Actually, you can put the cutter from a MF #1 shave into an Eclipse jig, but you need to make a simple fixture to do it. This is my original design: I used a scrap of oak 1/2” thick and 3”x4”, with the 3” wide end grain rounded over so that it is similar to the metal section of the shave in profile. I placed two flat head screws in the rounded section of the wood at the same spacing as the screws that hold the cutter in the shave. What you have now is a way to hold the cutter on the rounded-over end of the wood block much the way it is held in the shave. This wood block is then inserted into the upper jaws of the Elipse jig. You can adjust the block or the cutter until the flat of the bevel aligns with the sharpening stone. Go through your regular schedule of grits. I went all the way through 8000 grit on mine. As said in this thread, you have to sharpen the whole bevel…no microbevel…or the shave will not stay in the cut due to its very small radius.

I would say that my #1 shave is as easy to use as any small radiused shave I have used. The steel in that cutter is very nice quality.

Here’s a discussion on WoodCentral where David Charlesworth cautions against entirely removing the interior bevel:

http://www.woodcentral.com/woodworking/forum/archives_handtools.pl/bid/3001/md/read/id/155924/sbj/cigar-spokeshave/

Kelly Tool Works produced a cigar shave in the 1990s (?) and offered the following sharpening instructions with their tool (thanks to the Wayback Machine for this):

Have a cigar shave? How’s it working? How did you tune it? Share pics and stories below!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --


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#1 posted 09-08-2016 01:27 PM

Excellent idea to post this. Now the information won’t be lost when an LJ (probably me) finally acquires a cigar shave.

-- Don K, (Houghton, Michigan)

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#2 posted 09-08-2016 01:31 PM

methodologiea” :-)

-- ~Tony

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#3 posted 09-08-2016 02:30 PM

Good idea posting this Smitty.

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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#4 posted 09-08-2016 03:16 PM

Awesome!

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#5 posted 09-08-2016 04:48 PM

Thanks Smitty!

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#6 posted 09-08-2016 06:07 PM

Re-posting OldTools Archive content put on the Epic Thread yesterday:


I followed this discussion with great interest
last month on the problems with tuning a Millers
Falls number 1 spokeshave. I have one that I
had sharpened, and I’d made some shavings with
it, but never really used it. Today I was
working on a frame saw, and I thought that MF #1
would do the trick on some curvy bits.
Well, the only way I’d gotten this thing to take
shavings before was by opening the mouth about
3/8”. I took heed of some of the advice I’d
overheard on the Porch, here, and started grinding
the bevel of the blade. I removed metal from the
heel of the blade so that there would be a more
acute angle at the edge. I tried to avoid taking
away any metal right at the edge, just trying
to grind a sharper bevel so the heel of the blade
would sit lower. The more acute I made the angle,
the more I could close up the mouth and still take
a shaving. Once I got it to about 1/16”, I left
it. Works MUCH better now.

I can understand how uneducated users of these would
grind steeper bevels on them if they didn’t know
any better. It takes some work to grind it correctly.
This is probably why there are lots of old ones out
there that “don’t work very well.”

By the way, mine has a patent date of Feb 19, 1884.
It has four screw holes, a shallow bevel about 1/16”
wide inside the mouth, and both handles screw on
clockwise.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#7 posted 09-08-2016 06:08 PM

Don’t have one, don’t need one
Don’t have one, don’t need one
Don’t have one, don’t need one
Don’t have one, don’t need one

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#8 posted 09-08-2016 06:11 PM

^ Who are you, and what have you done with Don W?

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#9 posted 09-08-2016 06:41 PM

See, I can now say I’ve limited my collecting!

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#10 posted 09-08-2016 06:53 PM

Sure! Right! Uhhhh!

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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#11 posted 09-08-2016 06:58 PM

This would be a user, Don. Think of it that way and it’s not collecting.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#12 posted 09-08-2016 07:04 PM

Don, I thought you had moved from collector to hoarder. Hoarders don’t have a ceiling (at least most can’t see it because of all the stuff) so if you don’t want a cigar shave, you’ll have to change your sig line.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#13 posted 09-08-2016 07:07 PM

I’ve bid on a few over the years. Haven’t been successful yet. Good ones are not that common over here. Moore and Wright made one too.

I would guess any info applies to both makes.

-- Andy -- "I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free." (Michelangelo)

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#14 posted 09-08-2016 07:08 PM

By the looks of that cutter, I’d agree with your guess. Good looking tool, that is!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#15 posted 09-08-2016 10:12 PM

Hey Don if you make it to the show I’ve got an extra one I can let go pretty reasonably. The handles don’t match so I thought I’d have time to turn one or two out of some exotic wood. Instead I found one in good condition and don’t have to do a thing.
Jim

-- Jim, Long Island, NY Ancorayachtservice.com home of the chain leg vise

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