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Forum topic by Fraxinus posted 09-06-2016 01:32 AM 374 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Fraxinus

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09-06-2016 01:32 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question plane

I’m a pretty new woodworker. I have my bench and block planes mostly covered, now looking to get some molding planes. Closest thing I have right now is a Stanley 45 with a few bead cutters and a window sash cutter.

Shannon at Renaissance Woodworker says that #6 and #8 are good sizes to start with for rounds and hollows. But I’m confused about the complex molding planes. This one, to take a random example, is a 5/8” ovolo. And here's a 3/4” ogee. What thickness boards would these be suitable for?

Would I be better off starting with a couple round and hollow planes or buying a complex molding plane or two? I’d probably use them for box lids to start out with, maybe larger furniture projects down the road. For boxes I’d usually be working with 1/2” to 3/4” thick boards.


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realcowtown_eric

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#1 posted 09-06-2016 03:27 AM

if you’ve played with yer 45 you will know what a beast it is to set up to cut cleanly. Wooden moulding planes IF PURCHASED IN GOOD CONDITION are so much easier to use.

When I say in good condition…first look down the sole, oft-times the wedge has been driven too tight and the sole is no longer straight. You don’t want them. Look also for loose or missing boxing

Next look at the blade, if it’s been sharpened on the bevel, beware. Like 45 and 55 blades, they should be sharpened on the flat side of the blade. In today’s market, unless you get into “coolector” planes, usable woodies should be available at the 10-15$ mark Lee Valley a few years back had a sale selling usable woodies for 5 bucks each here in Calgary

I have 45’s and 55’s and I’d much rather reach for a woodiy to match mouldings. My count of woodies is over 100 now. The shelf is sagging

Regards
Eric

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#2 posted 09-09-2016 11:01 PM

I don’t think you can correlate a lot of the molders to board size. The ogee for example would be on the face of the board more than the edge.

A T&G set would be one type that would be reliant more on board width.

Hollow and rounds are more about moldings, so they wouldn’t be tied to a particular thickness.

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Fraxinus

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#3 posted 09-10-2016 05:45 PM

Eric, struggling with my Stanley 45 is what is pushing me towards getting some more wooden planes. It can be a frustrating little beast. I wrestled with it trying to get it set up to do a side bead and couldn’t figure out the beading fence, just didn’t seem like it fit. Turns out it didn’t fit, I had to file it ever so slightly to get it to snap in. Worked great once I figured that out. But every operation seems to turn out like that, I can eventually get it to work but only after exhausting every curse word in my vocabulary. I just got a nice matched pair of wooden 1/2” T&G planes and an orphaned 3/4” tongue plane that I’m hoping will play nice with the 3/4” groove cutter on my 45 so I don’t have to reset everything when I switch from tongues to grooves.

Don, thanks for the clarification. Maybe it comes down to what looks good on a particular project. I think I’m going to just buy a couple pairs of hollows and rounds and play around with them. Once I get a better understanding of moldings I might pick up a complex molding plane or two.

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#4 posted 09-10-2016 06:11 PM

Hey Frax – check out the Moldings In Practice DVD from L-N. It’s only $25, Matthew Bickford shows you how many profiles you can create with very few planes – H&Rs, rabbet, maybe a snipes bill.

I found it to be very helpful.

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#5 posted 09-10-2016 06:32 PM

Not sure if this answer’s your question but …
British made round and hollow moulding planes are numbered in pairs by 16th of an inch increments.
a number 6 plane would be 6/16ths or 3/8th of an inch radius while a number 15 would be 16 would be 16/16ths or 1 inch radius.
not sure if this applies in US

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theoldfart

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#6 posted 09-10-2016 08:00 PM

Same nomenclature in the US BigY.

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#7 posted 09-12-2016 03:40 AM

45’s can be quite awesome planes to use. Best advice would be Youtube setting up a 45. Once mastered it will be a blast to use and you won’t be so hesitant to incorporate it into your projects. That said there isn’t anything sweeter than the sound smell and feel or using a woodie that is set up right. (Check out the video by Paul Sellers on tuning a woodie) As far as sizes go I’ve never really paid to much attention to what specific model/ size it is. Your eyes should tell you whether the profile is going to work for your application or not with the exception that Don mentioned earlier the T&Gs are size dependent.

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BigYin

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#8 posted 09-12-2016 08:36 AM

http://wood.woodtools.nov.ru/books/handplane_book/handplane_book.pdf

its a downloadable PDF so you can keep it on your computer

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Fraxinus

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#9 posted 09-13-2016 04:50 AM

BigYin, thanks for the link, I’ll definitely be perusing that one.

Aidan, I plan on keeping the 45 in my “stable” but for basic tasks like T&G I’m definitely leaning towards dedicated planes. The 45 is too fiddly for my tastes. After work today I tested a beat up old wooden 3/4” tongue plane I just got from eBay. Didn’t bother to sharpen it, just wanted to get the beginning of a tongue to be able to measure it. Iron is dull as a butter knife, but it cut a near perfect, full depth tongue without any trouble at all. No fiddling required. And it fit a groove I cut earlier using the 45 perfectly, even better than the tongue cutter that came with the 45. The wooden plane, even with its dull iron, was SOOOO much nicer to use.

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