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Forum topic by Stanley Coker posted 06-10-2010 04:09 PM 3829 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Stanley Coker

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06-10-2010 04:09 PM

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OK fellow jocks, I have another question, problem, or I guess you might call it a situation. I am about ready to put the stain on a vanity and linen cabinet for a lady my wife works with. She was very particular about the color of stain that she wanted. She even ordered the stain that she wanted to use. She ordered a stain from the American Woodmark Corporation in Windhester VA. The label on the can says MAPLE SPICE/MOCHA TOUCH-UP STAIN (2958100). She wanted the cabinets to be made out of maple, maple plywood for the cases and solid maple for the facer boards and raised panel doors, but when I tried a piece of the maple plywood, I found that it is EXTREMELY hard to acheive an even shade of the stain. When you apply the stain, you have only a very few seconds before the stain starts to dry. I have never used this stain before and I am sure that it is a very good stain.
Has anyone had any experience with this stain?
Please any help would be greatly appreciated.


-- Stanley, North Georgia

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#1 posted 06-10-2010 04:34 PM

Stanley, you need to apply a tinting glaze to help your stain lie down evenly. I suggest you give Old Masters a call. Here is their website

I have called them several times for help and have not been disappointed yet.

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#2 posted 06-10-2010 04:37 PM

odds are its a lacquer or alkyd base, typical base for “professional ” stains which are designed to be primarly sprayed, this is proably actually tinted lacquer , in which case you will never wipe it in any size area successfully , you may be able to add enough lacquer retarder to it to slow it down, but its going to be tough, waht yo need to do is to have an actual stain made based on the color, if you do not have any one who can do this, Pm me and I will help, Is this American Woodmart , or Woodmark , Winchester Va is about 30 min down the road and I am familar with their colors as well as the folks who do their finishing …

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#3 posted 06-10-2010 04:46 PM

Thanks Charles for the reply. I was looking on the can and it says Supplied by American Woodmark Corporation.
On the back it says it is a water borne stain.

-- Stanley, North Georgia

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#4 posted 06-10-2010 05:00 PM

Interesting, must be a different group, if its water base , you can thin it a little with water , which will slow it down some, General finishes also makes what is called an extender (propelene Glycol) which will slow it down as well, the extender would be better than the water , not to say slowing it down by thinning it with either ,will not cause a slight loss of color, so you may have to do 2 coats, so test some to insure your getting the color you want if you have to thin it…you can also try something as simple as using a sponge applicator that is water soaked then squeeze it out and use it to help keep the stain wet and wipe fast ..

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Stanley Coker

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#5 posted 06-10-2010 05:32 PM

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I did get with the folks at Old Masters and they suggested that I apply a stain controller first, since I was using maple.
I was reading on the back of the can of stain and it said that it could be applied with a brush and only let it stand 15 seconds before wiping off the excess stain. Not giving much time to wipe of the excess.

-- Stanley, North Georgia

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#6 posted 06-10-2010 06:05 PM

Charles makes a Blotch control that works great I would suggest using it first,then you will get equal color on the ply and hardwood.

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#7 posted 06-11-2010 05:05 AM

The above suggestions are good ones… and there’s something else you can do, that I saw on Marc Spagnuolo’s (The Wood Whisperer) web site. Some of the moisture in the stain may be evaporating but it sounds like it’s being sucked up by the wood like a sponge. One technique he demonstrated was wetting the surface of the wood with a spray bottle before applying the stain. Thus the wood has already had a good drink and will “sip slowly” as the water evaporates. The stain will be less intense this way, so you may need a second coat but it’ll slow it down.

-- Jim in Alaska

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#8 posted 06-12-2010 12:03 AM

It’s also possible that it’s a spray stain. I did a cabinet for a friend, and he had stain from his kitchen manufacturer. The only way to get it to look close was to spray it. I bought one of those glass jar sprayers at woodcraft and sprayed it with that. Came out good.

It is odd that it’s water based, though. Water based shouldn’t dry fast at all.

-- Gerry,

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